lightning to mini usb > mini usb to 3.5mm>  amp/dac    so far its about all i have been able to figure out not sure if its even worth the trouble...? 3.5mm to 3.5mm > amp/dac is the only option i am willin to go with at this point ... hopefully the  lightning to 3.5mm comes out soon or something

awesome thanks for the suggestions!! :)

Well I have been looking around and would like to get a new portable. I am currently using my old betsy... 2nd gen Ipod nano. also i will be investing in some good quality cans in the near future right now though i"m on the fence between these two audio players. any suggestions? pros and cons of...