I am pretty sure there is no better Bluetooth headphone on the market for sound quality, with or without 3d effects. Tastes may very, but for pure fidelity, to my knowledge, these are it.

I don't listen to the dt1770 pro anymore, having the Mobius. It used to get some use. If that tells you anything. Part of it may be that I'm in love with the virtual speakers thing though. It sounds different with 3D off. The Mobius has that planar bass sound, and fuller, richer mids. Sounds...

One thing to watch for buying these used, is there we're some units that didn't get the noise-floor fix. Although it wasn't many units, it's possible you could end up getting one of these earlier units.

The sound quality is good compared to more expensive headphones. The build isn't shoddy. It's really solid for a plastic build. Very solid. The head-tracking isn't at all pointless. It's a completely different presentation than a conventional headphone and is a key difference maker IMO. Some of...

For movies and games and such wider is good, but for me for music, I set room reflections to somewhere closer to to 30 percent for a cleaner sound, besides clarity there's noticeable tightening up of phase artifacts and I kind of micro dial it in until it sounds just right. With lossless music...

The Mobius is loud and the amp is powerful. Even among people who can consistently clearly detect and are bothered by the slight noise floor in the Mobius don't usually say they think that it's very loud. You may have gotten a defective unit. Have you tried it in multiple modes and across...

I've been playing with a rooted android phone and some linear phase EQ. I can get a little extra bass and subtle shaping on the mids and highs to dial in the 3d to sound quite a bit more like the default preset with 3d off, with 3d on without getting much in the way of distortion or ugly phase...

I'm sure they definitely said that flat was there if you wanted to handle the EQ'ing yourself on more than one occasion which to me implied flat was the natural response of the drivers. Perhaps they decided to shape the tone after all with flat instead to a degree since. But they repeatedly had...

I like the Mobius. It's not Bass light in general. It's a little bass light with 3d on in default. "Music" is a bit boring and clipped too much in the upper frequencies. It's not nearly as dialed in as Default. There isn't really a great setting for EDM and Hip-hop with 3d engaged. It's just not...

In order to find a reasonable happy medium these days, for certain genres, you know they're cranking the bass way, way up already. A hip-hop engineer for example just assumes it and mixes and masters for it...... It's also rather pronounced in other modern genres.

Have you never been clubbing or listened to Hip Hop? Wow, Sub-bass boost with a little warmth across the lows is seriously a thing and a lot of music lacks it's intended muscle without it! A lot of consumer audio equipment is tuned for modern Pop, EDM, R&B and Hip-hop already and if the producer...

Bingo And in real world situations, anywhere but in particularly quite space (and with nothing playing), I don't hear it. You do realize any audio track has more background noise than this? You'd have to be obsessing to notice much of anything and then fixating on it with most of your brain power.

The noise floor in most audio recordings is way, way higher. I'm wondering if people are hearing that and think i's the Mobius. It's so quiet. I only detect it at all in a truly quiet environment. I'm convinced people are tripping here. Compare with wired headphones (that have highly sensitive...

I've just returned from my vacation and have been listening to these for a couple days when I have time. I'm mostly using them with 3d for music. I really dig them so far. It's hard to turn the 3d off. I'm a big speakers more so than headphones and these are doing a pretty impressive job of...

This has been covered in the thread. They just turned off the head tracking without giving it a chance. Not realizing they were also turning off all 3d. That was a really sloppy review without much understanding.