LOL, well, shy is not necessarly bad. Tell me something sean. Will the flats sound any better than no foam at all?

I tried the 225's without any pads at all, I mean you cannot get any "flatter" than this, and still the bass was very shy. I don't think I will be spending the extra 30$.

Quote: The 225s kick ass after a few days of sonic workout sessions. Don't waste your money on the flatpads. They diffuse the soundfield and add rediculous bass at the expense of clarity. The comfy pads sound more refined in comparison IMO. Oh, and welcome to the club 225 Oh! you mean...

LOL, the truth is that I am really a wannabe guitar player. I bought the 225's because I felt they were good for solo practice on the electric guitar. The only things i have to say is that the highs are too high ( almost hissy ),not enough bass and they are uncomftable. If these pads can fix...

Interristing. So "bowls" is the term used to describe the foam around the cans? Weird that it said: "The original Grado pads! Yes, these are the original flat pads from Grado Labs.". It means to imply that the pads that ship with the new grados are not "original"? Sorry if I am not making...

That EMU Bruce dude seems clueless to me.

Quote: you are familiar with Todd's flats? No, sorry, I am new to this whole new headphones business.

yes, i have that "shrill upper end" in mine too. I would have liked a bit more bass out of them.

And is that a good or a bad thing? Btw, how you guys can put the 225's for more than an hour straight on your head? my ears are so sore after 30 minutes, that I almost cried once