eXStatA Build Thread II
Aug 2, 2013 at 10:43 PM Post #557 of 588
This is a weird one. Maybe. I fired up the amp with the top off, turned on some tunes, and everthing was sounding great. Then I reached my left hand in to touch
the PS heat sinks and zappo! Turns out that the exposed metal can portion of the negative rail filter cap is at -315V. Would that indicate that the cap is
somehow shorted internally. I removed it, and all seems normal. Any thoughts?
 
BTW, no problem with the positive rail cap.
 
Aug 3, 2013 at 12:06 AM Post #558 of 588
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This is a weird one. Maybe. I fired up the amp with the top off, turned on some tunes, and everthing was sounding great. Then I reached my left hand in to touch
the PS heat sinks and zappo! Turns out that the exposed metal can portion of the negative rail filter cap is at -315V. Would that indicate that the cap is
somehow shorted internally. I removed it, and all seems normal. Any thoughts?
 
BTW, no problem with the positive rail cap.

 
Capacitor cans are always somewhat hot, and you can definitely get shocked by them. They end up floating somewhere between the two poles of the cap, but they actually have some energy to them (in fact the can of a cap can pass limited DC to at least one of the terminals, I forget which)
 
If you want some laughs, google "captret free energy" where people invented a three-terminal component called a captret, which is an electrolytic capacitor with the can as the third terminal. They claim you can extract infinite free energy from the tret terminal.
 
Aug 3, 2013 at 2:02 AM Post #559 of 588
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This is a weird one. Maybe. I fired up the amp with the top off, turned on some tunes, and everthing was sounding great. Then I reached my left hand in to touch
the PS heat sinks and zappo! Turns out that the exposed metal can portion of the negative rail filter cap is at -315V. Would that indicate that the cap is
somehow shorted internally. I removed it, and all seems normal. Any thoughts?
 
BTW, no problem with the positive rail cap.

yeah.. i always tape up the top of the rail caps with insulation tape just for this reason..especially so on HV builds before even firing them up to test.
 
You should be reading over -300V on the negative rail caps. This is normal and fine. seems like you are good to go. If its working, don't mess with it. Have a listen and enjoy the tunes brotha 
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Aug 3, 2013 at 9:07 AM Post #560 of 588
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This is a weird one. Maybe. I fired up the amp with the top off, turned on some tunes, and everthing was sounding great. Then I reached my left hand in to touch
the PS heat sinks and zappo! Turns out that the exposed metal can portion of the negative rail filter cap is at -315V. Would that indicate that the cap is
somehow shorted internally. I removed it, and all seems normal. Any thoughts?

 
Not sure what dude_500 is saying, because the can of the cap is connected directly to the negative terminal. On a single rail power supply this naturally sits at ground and there is no problem. On a dual rail power supply it sits at the negative voltage below ground, which is a problem.
 
Life lessons well learned, eh?
 
Aug 3, 2013 at 10:55 AM Post #561 of 588
Just like to add in 20s/30s/40s/50s tube  radios many smoothing/reservoir  caps were like that NEG attached  to cap case . Also came across them in Tex    tube scopes I used to repair. Some had insulators     stopping the case contacting the chassis . Still have some spare ones.Split rail is mainly a newer invention[although there are some specialized usually government equipment that is older]  .allowing removal of the output cap in an amp and larger voltage swing at the output. Multiple capacitors in the one case were popular to save money. Many went faulty[interaction].  Do not  use those types  in audio. 
 
Aug 3, 2013 at 11:19 AM Post #562 of 588
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Not sure what dude_500 is saying, because the can of the cap is connected directly to the negative terminal. On a single rail power supply this naturally sits at ground and there is no problem. On a dual rail power supply it sits at the negative voltage below ground, which is a problem.
 
Life lessons well learned, eh?

 
Interesting, I've tested quite a few caps and never found one that was electrically connected to the negative terminal. You can do cool stuff with the case like connecting it in a certain configuration with all three terminals to make a dead 9V battery have a higher voltage the next day (no I don't claim it's free energy, some chemical reaction probably but still interesting none the less).
 
Aug 3, 2013 at 11:54 AM Post #563 of 588
The old caps  had cases that that WERE connected to the negative. I hold in my hand as I type one taken from  a 50s UK tube  radio I repaired  25yrs ago. =HUNTS-capacitors[well known UK  capacitor company] cap-1-32UF-275V-DC --2-16UF--275V-DC -3-25UF-25V--max ripple=250MA---CAN NEGATIVE. I have 100s of them !! You want the makers serial no?=KDQ 854G -    THH -.The casing of ALL those  types of caps have soldering tags ALL round them for the NEGATIVE connection and ALL are CASING NEGATIVE. Things arent different in the US I also have many US caps with identical working connections.Yes the same isnt done in modern times but I was hard  put to find a cap relating to those eras without saying -casing negative.
 
Aug 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM Post #564 of 588
Thanks to all who responded.
 
After I posted the question, I got curious and did some research and discovered that the can is in fact connected to the negative
rail. I went one better than sachu and painted the top of the cap. This amp is sort of a second-hand commission. The original builder backed out on the owner
who is local, so he asked me if I would build it. This the first build I've done with a hi-voltage dual supply, so the hot cap kinda' surprised me.
 
Aug 4, 2013 at 8:37 AM Post #565 of 588
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so the hot cap kinda' surprised me.

 
Huh, that is a very diplomatic way of describing the cursing that follows a 300V+ electric shock.
 
Nov 22, 2014 at 1:11 AM Post #567 of 588
Hey Guys,
Sorry if I'm resurrecting an old thread. I have my first three DIY projects on their way. I would like to build this someday, but have read that this should only be attempted by someone who has a reasonable amount of experience in DIY audio. Could anybody recommend some sources that I could use (esp. video tutorials) to help me get better at this, so I can do it in around 6 months time, maybe less? I need to get better at everything, from soldering to reading schematics. 
Thanks,
Chris
 
Jan 3, 2015 at 4:53 AM Post #568 of 588
Hey Guys,
I sold my eXStatA in USA. To me (in Europe) it worked without problems, but in USA he can only hear some "static noise" when he plug in the Stax headphone and there is no sound. I know, eXStatA it can be set to any voltage (including 220V).
Can you give us a suggestion in this regard? how to set the whole thing?
 

 
 
Thank you!!
 
Jan 3, 2015 at 6:25 AM Post #569 of 588
Hi Loserica,
 
I guess you wired the transformer for 220V like below?
 

 
For 110V I believe it should be wired as below
 

 
Please pitch in somebody if I'm wrong.
 
Cheers
 
Jan 3, 2015 at 10:53 PM Post #570 of 588
Here is the wiring diagram.  Scroll down to 'Wiring Table' and study the 120VAC diagram.    http://www.hammondmfg.com/300series.htm
 
Separate the Brown and Black/Red wires. Tape the ends for safety.
 
Disconnect the Blue/Yellow wire from the power inlet. Tape the end for safety.
 
Connect the Blue and Black wires together, then connect the pair to the Line connection on the power inlet.
 
Disconnect the White wire from the power inlet and cut off the connector.
 
Connect the White and Brown wires together, then connect the pair to the Neutral connection on the power inlet.
 

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