NuForce Icon uDAC-2 (Black) USB DAC (24bit/96kHz) and Headphone Amplifier

El Pino

New Head-Fier
Pros: small, rigid, LO
Cons: no power supply included
Hi there,
 
I would like to say few things about this little thing here. After seven eight months of use I found uDAC2 quite good when it comes to sound quality for this money (lets say money for pure DAC). Why? First I was listening the uDAC2 through AMB Mini3 (via line out) in a simple connection - connected directly to USB on my laptop - for a few months. Yes, gotta argee that after first impressions and the ear got used to it, the sound was nothing special. Not that boring or unbalanced, but neither entertaining. After some time, an idea occured, since uDAC2 has no external power supply possibility, you still can conect it to an USB hub with additional power supply (usually to attach external HDD) and hat would supply this little piece of DAC with enough power. And it really does. For example with 5V/2.5A power supply you can really hear a great difference in every sight. Details, dynamic/sharpness, bass response, soundstage together with separation in space, highs also.
 
Pitty is that there is hard to find some reasonable linear non-switching power supply unit with 5V output voltage to connect it directly between PC and uDAC2. I think I'll have to build one :-D
 
And also pitty that nobody here's considering that supply has major effect on sound quality in case of USB DACs.
tkor
tkor
El Pino
El Pino
IMO I think it should do the thing, but you can get it in every computer store as well. what really matters is that there is that power supply to load the hub and so the uDAC. But remember that for maximum charge only the uDAC should be connected to the hub.
El Pino
El Pino
just testing uDAC2 charged via i-tec USB 2.0 Charging hub, which should provide up to 1.5A into one USB device...

SolidSnake3

500+ Head-Fier
Pros: Small, light, usb powered, affordable, solid build, sound quality
Cons: For its retail price, can't think of anything legitimate
The NuForce Icon uDAC2 is the first Dac I have ever owned and with that came some unsure expectations and uncertainty. My laptop is a relatively budget one with a noisy headphone out. When using sensitive earphones like my JH5's and CK10's the static and other noise being sent out was just too much. It ruined the quite parts of songs and was actually borderline uncomfortable. As a result I set out to find a relatively cheap DAC that would solve this problem. 
 
After a bunch of reading and research I settled on the uDac2 which I ordered from a local audio shop. The uDac2 seemed to be exactly what I was looking for, small, compact, transportable and would cut the hiss along with having good sound quality to boot.
 
I can tell you after owning the uDac2 for two days now that it delivers on every one of those things. It is build like a rock, one really solid piece of metal with a knob on the front that has a tiny, tiny footprint. Also, the thing is entirely USB powered which is perfect for a transportable set up. I threw the uDac2 and my laptop in my backpack along with my earphones and I'm set with all the music I could possibly want. 
 
On the topic of sound, the thing sounds great. Not only is it silent with even my JH5's plugged in but it also really "livens" the music up. The music I have been listening to the past few days has sounded more energetic, alive and realistic, from soundstage to bass and clarity it seems that all around everything has gotten a nice boost in quality. To put it simply, the music sounds clearer and cleaner with the uDac2 not really coloring or altering the sound signature in any particular way.
 
To sum all this up, for the price, $130, there really is no downfall I can see to the uDac2. It is an amazing piece of gear for a stellar price and I really can't think of a fault with it for $130. Maybe a more powerful amp would be nice when driving larger headphones and maybe it could have I few more outputs on the back but again for $130 I don't think it's fair to expect those things especially considering all you are already getting for that price.

Irick

New Head-Fier
Pros: Price, Size, USB Powered, Sturdy as a rock, Sounds great.
Cons: A little tinny at the upper volume, probably a side effect of being driven off a v5 source.
I often make the off color joke that, when i look for audio equipment i want something sturdy enough to club a baby seal to death (in self defense, of course) and still keep on kicking out music as good as the day i bought it. This little box gives me absolutely no qualms about my readiness to combat the droves of radiation mutated seal offspring vulnerable only to audio equipment we will surely face in the dystopian future that awaits us all. The enclosure is made of a very sturdy material i assume is some aluminum alloy held together by some easily removed screws in case maintanance becomes nessisary, the output contacts are all very secure and there is absolutely no looseness in the volume control knob.
 
In terms of portability this little DAC simply can't be beat. At about three inches tall and an inch wide it could easily slip into a pocket along with a small USB-B cord. It is nice to be able to carry it around just for some in flight listening and the like, though i would not scoff at someone using it as a main DAC.
 
The sound is absolutely amazing through the headphones i tested it with, mainly Grado SR60s and MDR-V6s. The only complaint i have is the sound became slightly tinny when driving heavier impodence sets and cranking up the volume over about 75%. But at sub $150, i'm not sure if i can really expect it to do any more.
 
Overall a great little DAC, besting even some 300$ dacs i've seen. I can whole heartedly recommend this for someone getting into higher end audio.

Kaviar

Head-Fier
Pros: Sound, design, ease of use
Cons: None for the price
I went from onboard sound (realtek on a z-68 board) to this and did notice an immediate difference. Bass is more snappy, mids more natural and highs are now nice and crisp. Anyway, the real advantage for me at least is that I now have no problem listening to music for long periods at a time and at high volumes without succumbing to listening fatigue. Previously I could not listen even at moderate volumes for more than 20 minutes at a time.

axw

100+ Head-Fier
Pros: size, price, last but not least sound
Cons: for the price hard to find any
When I first got it I was surprised that the Lavry DA-10 I then had isn't much better. It sounds better than most soundcards, better than usb powered Meier Audio Porta Corda amp+dac.

AlwaysOn

New Head-Fier
Pros: Very detailed sound, improved imaging
Cons: Not much bass?
Consider this an in progress review, just received the unit yesterday and it is not yet burned in.

Kolapso

New Head-Fier
Pros: Good volumepot, small in size and can really improve the sound vs a computers internal soundcard.
Cons: None discovered sofar
I feel that it's a good amp for starting out, atleast sofar. Definitely better than my realtek soundcard, aswell better/onpar with (imho) my Xonar DG.soundcard.

jshaffe

Head-Fier
Pros: tiny, well built, usb powered
Cons: distorts at certain frequencies
It does a good job as a DAC for my starving student amp. Eventually, I will probably upgrade but it works well enough. It is nice that it powers off of USB and doesn't take up tons of space.

cheapskateaudio

Aka: sohnx
Pros: Great sound on its own
Cons: Lacks cachet, does not work well with a high end system
This little amp is a surprise. Alone it is actually not that bad with some HD650's. The sound is typical dark, liquid, and pretty nice to listen to if you're into that sort of tubey coloration.
 
Later, when you try to put this DAC into a revealing system, perhaps as a source for a revealing amplifier, the surprise is that the uDac 2 is actually quite terrible. And it has nothing to do with anything that has been ranted and raved about, forget the tech specs. The DAC section simply has a flat out horrid frequency response, it's boosting the upper mids in a way that makes revealing amplifiers sound ear piercingly bad...  This DAC could go well driving a tubey sounding tube amp, but anything even a little revealing is going to be terrible sounding.
 
Build quality is decent, it is metal and the connectors are gold plated. The first version (uDac v1) had problems with channel balance on the volume pot, that seems to be largely alleviated in the uDac 2. I do not have a channel imbalance issue with my uDac 2. My uDac (v1) on the other hand was almost unusable because the channel imbalance showed up at a relatively loud volume.
 
Once you add up everything it does, few amps can match it in features/price, and it really does sound good on its own. But if you plan on building a system and upgrading it and hope to use the DAC section of the uDac 2 with a better amp, just DON'T, save you and your ears the trouble.
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Frodo
Frodo
I completely agree, it sounded ok to me at first (I have HD595's) but once I tried it with a headphone amp I felt very let down. I'm now using an Alien DAC which sounds a lot better to my ears.

funkmeister

100+ Head-Fier
Pros: Has a volume knob
Cons: cheap USB cable, uneven sound, audio isn't as good as hoped
Keep in mind that my star rating is weighted against price, and I'm reviewing the uDac2-HP. It sounds just like my laptop's out even though there are legitimate reasons to expect it not to. There's a sense of quality to the unit and its volume knob from their feel but the USB cable that came with it is poking wires out of the plastic shroud. Lame-o. I have another cable hanging around that I used instead.
 
Anyway, I like the sound well enough despite its supposedly massive shortcomings that others talk about. It isn't spacious like the Icon HD (which is an awesome product) but it sure sounds fine with some of the hidden details in the recordings no longer getting drowned out in the poor analog circuitry of my laptop. It's also so nice to deal with a volume knob again even if I am limited to the top 40% of the range for good-enough balance.

kungmarten

New Head-Fier
Pros: Size, plug'n'play
Cons: Boring, a bit distorted, sound.
My firs uDAC (v1) fried because of manufacturing problems. I got version 2 as a replacement. What I like about it is the ease of installation and portability. I use it mainly at work where my options are a bit limited. For this purpose the form factor is excellent.

What bugs me though is the un-dynamic sound that seems a bit distorted. In my opinion quite boring - I get a lot better sound (with the same headphones, Beyerdynampic DT770 Pro & Sennheiser HD200 tested) from my Sony Walkman A845 than from this DAC/Amp, even though the price is similar. 

I will keep using it at work because of the form factor, but I can not recommend it for home use - there are just too many better alternatives out there.
kungmarten
kungmarten
I'm going to try it just as a DAC next week, I'll let you now how it turns out. A lot of the drawbacks might be related to the headphone amps.
kungmarten
kungmarten
FYI, the uDAC2 is quite good when I use it only as a DAC. It sounds really good when I hook it up to my headphone amp and my HD650.
BTX1
BTX1
Good to know, thanks a lot. I don't use headphones, so it's a relief.

idontevenknow

New Head-Fier
Pros: sounds good, looks good, has RCA out on the back
Cons: did not last for me
I first bought the uDAC2 in the fall of 2010, and it blew me away with its quality as it was the first decent source I'd ever listened to. Sadly It stopped working within about a month. I returned it with it's cable under warranty and received a refurb model. Sadly, this new one wasn't sent to me with a cable, but no big deal. Fast forward to this week, and I've just had this one die on me as well.
 
While it was working, I loved my uDAC-2, but I can't recommend it to anyone after going through 2 of them in under a year and a half.
idontevenknow
idontevenknow
In case it matters, I'm running it with my shure SRH840s and krk rokit 5s
Pros: Nice metal case, responsive customer support
Cons: Poor channel balance, output impedance is too high for many headphones, poor measured distortion, too much gain for most people
I just completed a full review of the uDAC-2 with measurements on my personal blog. Some of the results were bad enough I contacted NuForce before publishing my review to make sure I didn't have a bad DAC. They verified my results and confirmed my uDAC-2 was "within spec". At their request, I've included their comments in my review.
 
I plan to be testing other similarly priced USB DACs in the future, but based on what I know about the uDAC-2, I can't recommend it. Even the $29 Behringer UCA202 seriously outperforms the uDAC-2 in most areas.
 
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trisweb
trisweb
Very good review, thanks for all of that. Your listening tests agree more with my experience and with what prompted me to write this comment, mainly that I have both the UCA-202 and the uDAC-2, and subjectively speaking, the UCA-202 simply does not sound nearly as good. After using it as my default listening device for several months and comparing it with both integrated laptop audio, both headphone output and line outs, I concluded that it really is junk; or at least sounds like it. Biased, unscientific, etc. etc. but it hardly needed to be proven when it was so clear to the ears.
It would be interesting to see exactly why the measurements don't line up with the result, but in my firsthand experience the difference is extremely clear.
Just a warning against this pure numbers game. These numbers do not mean that the UCA-202 is a better performer, nor that the uDAC-2 is necessarily a worse performer. They just prove some very specific things about the signals that may have an impact on the sound, but my first thought is that some variables are missing, because the measured results don't match up with the reality of the sound at all.
This is not to say that a DAC that measures better than the uDAC is not better; certainly could be. But the UCA-202 is not it.
trisweb
trisweb
Sorry, meant to say that I compared the UCA-202 to integrated laptop audio, a good USB audio I/O recording interface, Yamaha AVR DAC/Headphone amp, and the uDAC-II.
cheapskateaudio
cheapskateaudio
I read NwAvGuy's full review on his site and my #1 question is, why wasn't the uDac 2 tested at 24/96? Seems unfair to blast a product without even running it at it's full capability...

seawalnut

New Head-Fier
Pros: When it works: reasonable sound quality, nice package layout, good value if size is important
Cons: Poor QC, mediocre support
Any product can fail, so negative reviews are always statistically suspect. However... I have bought SIX of these (including two of the RCA-less uDAC2HP model), over a period of a couple of years, and TWO were DOA. Also, two of the supplied USB cables were shorted, in one case apparently damaging a PC. (Sensed that the audio problem might be in the wiring when the USB cable got hot to touch.)
 
When it works: a good entry-level USB DAC, also unusually portable for frequent flyers. Sound quality (to my ears) not quite up to standard of other brands not that much more, so I'd recommend the step up where feasible. And very reasonably priced now, with prices way down in just a couple of years.  [Oops - must have been a momentary blip on Amazon.]
 
One of my first Icon uDACs had terrible sound; company apparently was familiar with the problem, and replaced it fairly quickly. (I still had to deal with the return; recommend buying through Amazon or someplace else that covers returns.) They also knew about the bad cables, which weren't worth the effort/postage of returning; I'm a little surprised that Nuforce wouldn't just send replacements on trust.
 
I bought some of the Icons for "inventory" as future gifts. I've been buying hifi equipment since the days of Mac tube amps, AR3 speakers and the Thorens TD-124. Never had a defective new product (maybe just lucky?), so it didn't occurred to me to break the package seal on a relatively simple device for an on-arrival test. One of these was opened recently, an HP model, and didn't work at all. (Bad cable, too.) Nuforce took a while to decide that this model was too ancient to be supported. They suggested that I might separately contact their sales dep't., who might make some accommodation on another product.
 
Decided I just couldn't be bothered to plea for a small discount on another uncertain product. So the Icon is a desk ornament until it gets recycled to scrap. Nice micro-project box, but I'm not building electronics these days.
 
It is pretty apparent from my experience and other reviews that Nuforce QC leaves a lot to be desired. The two failed units clearly hadn't had even a minimal plug-in test. And support afterwards was uninspiring.
 
I hate to put down a company that makes useful little products at moderately reasonable prices. But recent promotional material suggests that they are heading toward the fashion-conscious yuppie gadget market, rather than boring black boxes that merely sound great. I am unlikely to do business with them again. For those who do, I suggest putting each purchase through its paces immediately, and be very wary of defects as early as possible.
 
Disappointed, but life happens. HRT Music Streamers are still working just fine. And the Nuforce earbuds are holding up well for me. I rate the Icon uDACs that actually work at about 4 stars; it's adding 50% to the price for the bad ones, plus a fried USB system, plus the hassle of dealing (or failing to deal with) the defective ones that forces down my rating.
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