I don't perceive them as veiled at all. Though I don't think the HD600's are either. Ordered these but there is a shop next to where I work that carries the Classics. Will go and do a comparison out of curiosity.    Even though neutrality's the word of the hour, the main focus I feel is on the...

Wow, M-13 sure hasn't hyped these for nothing!    Dat attack and speed. Detailed to disturbing levels. From record to record I'm going "****'s got too much bass" and "****'s got too little bass". I think these play the chameleon role even a bit better than the Paradox. Definitely more detailed...

Ordered the on day of this post and they got shipped on the 3rd of April. Well, ok weekend and all, but still took their sweet ass time.    Hehe, this is exciting. I haven't purchased a new headphone in a long time. 

  1. See my previous post. Big emphasis on the word "possibly", because I can't assume anything yet.    2. Those impressions obviously are of the current version without the "upgrade". All have been very highly praising of the product. What if some of those qualities suffered just because of...

I'm all for a fully finished product. I can see how people want to avoid the confusion and constant upgrading. I'm not going to buy this product based on the impressions here alone nor am in a hurry to even try these.    I don't see how some see "better" as such a black and white thing. Let's...

  I'm not slamming Jerg! Distinction needs to be made. I'm slamming people for trusting his modding logic so... dogmatically. 

  All hail grand daddy dogma.

The guys at Amazon.es sure are enjoying their siestas!

  Yes this was my main problem with the HE400. The depression is anything but marginal and that emphasis really sticks out. Listening to jazz, you're kind of confused at the attenuation of what you should be hearing and further annoyed by many of the cymbal and brass harmonics striking at you...

That's probably just noise from the bass amplifier. I think the fundamental of a low B of a 5 string is at about 30Hz, but I'm not sure. Rarely do you get clean reproduction of a note that low, though. I don't think I've ever heard it, electric or even acoustic.    Say I was listening to music...

  Hahaa, good one. Need I say this is exactly how I thought it would go! Fang is Jerg's bitch and all that. Kinda like Dre and Noel Lee, or his son. Can't quite remember how that exactly went.   Ah, forget that sarcasm is often misinterpreted. "JK" is probably in order. There. 

  I agree. If you seek perfect reproduction and involvement in the sound scape, you need to have coherent holistic representation. I just think it's quite moot when we're talking about headphones. I don't really listen to soundstage or anything in regards to room size or similar stuff... What I...

  But it hasn't. Only Jerg has the word. No measurements, other substantive reviews, nada. Only "holistic" reviews that seem to echo each other. Not that I don't trust Jerg, or any of the other listeners, it's just too soon to make such claims and alter production!

  I assume Dr. Fang has ears of his own and even good measuring equipment. But he's also a businessman. "Deep bass" is such a sexy marketing term, conducted by the music and trend paradigms of today, which makes it easy to prioritize it over everything else. Though with products at this...

  Except people here don't really talk about music... Good point otherwise :)

  You are right I might've lost my reading comprehension regards to the different baffle designs and bass conduction. Got mixed up and didn't bother to go back enough to properly quote. But speaking personally, I'd leave the conduction behind. Have you listened to music that doesn't extend...

Kudos to Jerg for all his contributions in this hobby in general, but Fang has potentially just lost a customer.    I personally simply cannot go and purchase something based on all of this mess. I'm mainly pointing at people obsessed with sub-bass (as Jerg himself has admitted being), as I...

Quote:   True.   How about 3 hours of the first versus 3 minutes of the latter? Not that I personally listen to music at either of those volumes.   With smoothness I was also referring to the lack of ringing, so to speak. Accurate, but effortless and non offensive is how I...

Sure it's "better", but a good screw on adapter gives good contact as well. A poor tinning with a 6.3mm connector might even give poorer results (not even sure I would even then notice a difference, for better or worse, given the cable actually works). There are so many variables that should be...

Quote:   Why?

In my experience the Paradox is very detailed. As I said earlier, it makes everything very apparent, but not in a pronounced in your face kind of way.    Still tend to listen to them too loud due to being so smooth. 

Quote:   It's terminated in 3,5mm, but the screw on adapter is pretty decent. I find nothing goofy with it. 

Quote:   Yes, it is impossible to say whether the Paradox or any heapdhone produces a tone close to real life. Too many variables. I don't however find it difficult to differentiate these qualities you mention with the Paradox. On the contrary. But I don't have any totl dynamics to...

Quote:   I don't disagree. But you do prove my point, well, at least clarify my own personal priorities. In the end, how something sounds is and always will be secondary to distinguishing musical detail, which to me is pitch articulation and timing foremost. Timing as a term is a bit...

Ouch, I would never make that generalization. I've heard terribly colored planars as well as supremely dull dynamics.    My point was not only that the Paradox are "colorless", since they are not to absolute extent. They live with the recording, this is true. At least they do it better than...