thank you guys for the help i went mostly cuz i understood that the different is minor and i'm gonna use rockbox and the thing some1 here said about better FM that is gonna be a big part of my usage   thank alot and shabat shalom to all

i want a player that will work ass smoth as possible will be easy to nevigate with alot of songs, and will have a possibility for playlists

there is no other pros for the zip expect art cover? is there fast scrolling in the clip+?

i'm looking for new media player after my ipod video commited suicde... and i kinda like the sansa but i cant decide between the zip and the pluse version?   what do you say?   and can you tell me the differences, maybe there are some i am not aware about?