I don't perceive them as veiled at all. Though I don't think the HD600's are either. Ordered these but there is a shop next to where I work that carries the Classics. Will go and do a comparison out of curiosity.    Even though neutrality's the word of the hour, the main focus I feel is on the...

Wow, M-13 sure hasn't hyped these for nothing!    Dat attack and speed. Detailed to disturbing levels. From record to record I'm going "****'s got too much bass" and "****'s got too little bass". I think these play the chameleon role even a bit better than the Paradox. Definitely more detailed...

Ordered the on day of this post and they got shipped on the 3rd of April. Well, ok weekend and all, but still took their sweet ass time.    Hehe, this is exciting. I haven't purchased a new headphone in a long time. 

  1. See my previous post. Big emphasis on the word "possibly", because I can't assume anything yet.    2. Those impressions obviously are of the current version without the "upgrade". All have been very highly praising of the product. What if some of those qualities suffered just because of...

I'm all for a fully finished product. I can see how people want to avoid the confusion and constant upgrading. I'm not going to buy this product based on the impressions here alone nor am in a hurry to even try these.    I don't see how some see "better" as such a black and white thing. Let's...

  I'm not slamming Jerg! Distinction needs to be made. I'm slamming people for trusting his modding logic so... dogmatically. 

  All hail grand daddy dogma.

The guys at Amazon.es sure are enjoying their siestas!

  Yes this was my main problem with the HE400. The depression is anything but marginal and that emphasis really sticks out. Listening to jazz, you're kind of confused at the attenuation of what you should be hearing and further annoyed by many of the cymbal and brass harmonics striking at you...

That's probably just noise from the bass amplifier. I think the fundamental of a low B of a 5 string is at about 30Hz, but I'm not sure. Rarely do you get clean reproduction of a note that low, though. I don't think I've ever heard it, electric or even acoustic.    Say I was listening to music...

  Hahaa, good one. Need I say this is exactly how I thought it would go! Fang is Jerg's bitch and all that. Kinda like Dre and Noel Lee, or his son. Can't quite remember how that exactly went.   Ah, forget that sarcasm is often misinterpreted. "JK" is probably in order. There. 

  I agree. If you seek perfect reproduction and involvement in the sound scape, you need to have coherent holistic representation. I just think it's quite moot when we're talking about headphones. I don't really listen to soundstage or anything in regards to room size or similar stuff... What I...

  But it hasn't. Only Jerg has the word. No measurements, other substantive reviews, nada. Only "holistic" reviews that seem to echo each other. Not that I don't trust Jerg, or any of the other listeners, it's just too soon to make such claims and alter production!

  I assume Dr. Fang has ears of his own and even good measuring equipment. But he's also a businessman. "Deep bass" is such a sexy marketing term, conducted by the music and trend paradigms of today, which makes it easy to prioritize it over everything else. Though with products at this...

  Except people here don't really talk about music... Good point otherwise :)