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post #1 of 24
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I want to get this cleared up once and for all (hopefully). I see a lot of people selling items here (and on other forums) where they list a price and then something to the effect of "plus PayPal fees" or "Please add 3% if paying via PayPal."

It is my understanding that doing this is a violation of the PayPal TOS that you agreed to when you created your PayPal account. I'll admit, I used to ask people to pay the 3% also, but I've been told it is not appropriate and a violation of the PayPal TOS.

I know it sucks that PayPal (like eBay) takes a percentage of your sale after every transaction, but that's just the way it is and you're free to NOT use PayPal if it bothers you that much. Honestly, before PayPal came along I had no way to accept credit card payments so I don't mind them taking a small percentage of my sale if it means I attract more potential buyers and nets me more (or quicker) sales.

Like I said, if the PayPal fee bothers someone then they should just accept a money order or cashier's check instead. Or, alternatively, just consider the 3% PayPal fee when thinking of a price for your item. If you planned to sell that Pimeta for $120, perhaps consider listing it for $125 or thereabouts. You're still "technically" passing the fee onto the buyer, but at least it's not blatantly obvious. I've found that people sometimes ask a slightly higher price when selling their items in order to compensate for their time, gas costs to the P.O. or UPS station, packaging materials, etc.

Am I wrong about this? Like I said, I'm under the impression that passing the fee onto the buyer is a violation of the PayPal TOS. I'm I'm wrong about that, then I apologize for this thread but I wanted to get it cleared up so that there is no confusion.
post #2 of 24
To me it's a convienience, if you want to pay me with a credit card then you can pay the fee's, or just send me a money order, I don't mind either way. I will not eat 3% of the transaction to make it more convienient for the buyer though.
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post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by AuroraProject
To me it's a convienience, if you want to pay me with a credit card then you can pay the fee's, or just send me a money order, I don't mind either way. I will not eat 3% of the transaction to make it more convienient for the buyer though.
I used to look at it like that, but...

You are supposed to absorb that 3% fee because being able to accept credit cards is for your convenience, not necessarily the buyer's. Most people can't accept CC payments without PayPal, so is that 3% really too much to ask? Of course I'd prefer to be able to accept CC payments without a penalty, but it costs PayPal money to process those CC transactions and they certainly aren't going to absorb the costs of the millions of transactions that take place.

What I'm saying is, if paying the 3% is too much for one to bear, perhaps they should only accept other forms of payment. I just think there should be a standard here. I don't want to keep eating PayPal fees when selling my items while others are allowed to pass those costs on to buyers...and some might say "Well just start charging the fee then" but like I said that's supposedly a violation of the PayPal TOS and doing that is NOT allowed on some other forums, so it must be legit.
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by Kirosia
Thanks Kirosia, but I think there may be some misinformation in that thread.

Take the second post, for example. Bangraman says the fee is "...Paypal's burden to the seller. It's his discretion to pass it on to the buyer." and according to the information I have, that is not correct. It is not the seller's discretion if it will be violating his/her agreement with PayPal...

I'm not trying to be a stickler guys, like I said I just want there to be a standard. I wish Jude or a mod would come in and comment on this issue and just clarify what is appropriate; perhaps there could be a sticky placed at the top of the Buy/Sell forums.
post #6 of 24
Is the 3% fee only applied to CC transactions or is it to non-CC transactions as well?
post #7 of 24
I dont mind paying the 3% extra when im buying since most of the time this is the only way I can pay when buying things from the net. If the buyer is agreeable to pay the 3% paypal fee (like me), I dont see this as a problem, even if its in violation to paypal's TOS.

Now when im recieving money, like in the Quail group buys, paypal charges 3% plus $0.03 for every transaction. If I didnt charge extra for those fees I could be looking at more than $100 that I would have to pay for myself if I didnt charge the paypal fees to the ones availing in the group buy. I could charge more for the cables outright but in deals like in group buys every cost must me transparent so the add-on cost of the paypal fees must be known to the payees up front.

The best way I see around this (if it really bothers others) is to price your item 3% more, then give the buyer a 3% discount if he doesnt use paypal. No violations will be incurred and everybody's happy.
post #8 of 24
How about posting a price and accepting paypal but offering a 3% discount for cash or money orders. Is that against the Paypal policy?
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mith
Is the 3% fee only applied to CC transactions or is it to non-CC transactions as well?

CC only
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mith
Is the 3% fee only applied to CC transactions or is it to non-CC transactions as well?
Both. The fee is put in place for all transactions in which you receive funds once you upgrade your account so that you can accept CC payments.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by Imyourzero
I want to get this cleared up once and for all (hopefully). I see a lot of people selling items here (and on other forums) where they list a price and then something to the effect of "plus PayPal fees" or "Please add 3% if paying via PayPal."

It is my understanding that doing this is a violation of the PayPal TOS that you agreed to when you created your PayPal account. I'll admit, I used to ask people to pay the 3% also, but I've been told it is not appropriate and a violation of the PayPal TOS.

I know it sucks that PayPal (like eBay) takes a percentage of your sale after every transaction, but that's just the way it is and you're free to NOT use PayPal if it bothers you that much. Honestly, before PayPal came along I had no way to accept credit card payments so I don't mind them taking a small percentage of my sale if it means I attract more potential buyers and nets me more (or quicker) sales.

Like I said, if the PayPal fee bothers someone then they should just accept a money order or cashier's check instead. Or, alternatively, just consider the 3% PayPal fee when thinking of a price for your item. If you planned to sell that Pimeta for $120, perhaps consider listing it for $125 or thereabouts. You're still "technically" passing the fee onto the buyer, but at least it's not blatantly obvious. I've found that people sometimes ask a slightly higher price when selling their items in order to compensate for their time, gas costs to the P.O. or UPS station, packaging materials, etc.

Am I wrong about this? Like I said, I'm under the impression that passing the fee onto the buyer is a violation of the PayPal TOS. I'm I'm wrong about that, then I apologize for this thread but I wanted to get it cleared up so that there is no confusion.
This is for the buyer, and seller to work out on their own. Wheel, and deal baby!
post #12 of 24
Instant bank transfers and eChecks don't incur the 3% fee.

The whole 3% fee thing is bogus anyhow. It costs paypal nothing to allow you to accept CC payments as opposed to instant account transfers or echecks. It's just another way for them to eat your money.

And btw, I always absorb paypal fees. I've always thought it was the price I had to pay to let me accept CC payments.

Also, I didn't know the exact percentage, so... =P

Edit: Apparently they do, if your account is set up to accept CC payments. It's not a big deal since I rarely sell things via paypal; I buy things with it much more frequently.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Salt Peanuts
Both. The fee is put in place for all transactions in which you receive funds once you upgrade your account so that you can accept CC payments.
Yup, once you EVER accept a credit card payment (by upgrading to a premiere account, the only way you can do it,) you will ALWAYS get hit by the paypal percentage, which is actually under 3%. And yes, it is a violation of TOS, just like on ebay, you can't pass the auction fees to the buyer. If they catch you, your account is toast. This fee is for the convenience of the seller, not the buyer. The seller is the one who loses out if the buyer will not consider him because of lack of easy way of payment.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by KurtW
How about posting a price and accepting paypal but offering a 3% discount for cash or money orders. Is that against the Paypal policy?
IMO this is the best way to do it. If paypal does prohibit putting 3% on the buyer, then offering a discount when the buyer NOT using paypal may just do the trick.
post #15 of 24
I dont believe the 3% fees are bogus. Notice that they only apply to credit card transactions. This 3% fee is a standard fee incurred on ALL credit car transactions. However, stores will absorb the fees because of increased sales. Sometimes, during a sale, you will notice that stores say cash or debit only. This is because the 3% it costs the store may mean that the item is no longer above or at cost, but is being sold at loss if sold on credit.
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