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post #46 of 195
Ok Remember the 2 Russian airliners that were blown up by 2 women? It’s believed they hid the explosives in their bra’s.

Shoes- Remember Richard Reid (I think) the guy who had the bomb in his sneakers and tried to blow up the plane over the Atlantic.


The TSA is just a bunch of under paid people trying to stop a bunch of ruthless maniacs from committing mass murder.

What would turning the amp on prove?

It just seems reasonable for people to make the extra effort to help the TSA accomplish their goal of safe air travel. We all need to chip in, it ain’t just their job to keep us safe it’s all of our responsibility.


So yeah it’s not unreasonable to have you’re amps confiscated with things being as they are.


Mitch
post #47 of 195
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
SOB!!!
TSA confiscated my brand new Porta Corda MK-II which I JUST received from the group buy!!! They also confiscated my self made MINT in an altoids tin !!!
This is a typical overreaction by TSA. Guru, I am so sorry to hear of this. This is unusual enforcement considering:

1. The security level is not "Code Orange" or higher
2. Your item was not on the Prohibited List

My suggestion is to be very firm with the airline you flew on, respectfully requesting the name of the airport manager. Do NOT be abusive with TSA or the Airport Manager's staff. Remember that the current administration has given TSA broad discretionary powers.

However, no Airport Manager or TSA manager wishes to have bad press in confiscating something as harmless as an audio amp. Work your way through and around the system using the Airport Manager's office and the head of customer service for the airline at Buffalo.
post #48 of 195
Man, that bites big time. TSA are, for the most part, (no offense to any TSA workers here) brainless monkeys. They have a script that they go through. 'Please remove your shoes and any metallic objects, walk through here.' It's all a big if/then function. I had my partially-constructed CMoy searched like crazy when I flew to NC. I can see why, though - wires everywhere, no other audio equipment in sight (I had my PCDP on my person), and a post 9/11 mentality. Actually, this was VERY post 9/11 - early '02 if I recall. People were still on edge. Anyway, they then proceeded to search every item in my suitcase, including some mints, clothing, socks (even going so far as to unroll them); everything. I found the whole thing rather humorous, as I wasn't being cavity searched, and didn't have to make a plane.

I say go down and yell until you're blue in the face. They can't confiscate an amp. The whole 'National Security' thing has been taken way too far. Thank Dubya.
post #49 of 195
No, racism is not at all unreasonable is it? Ignorance is ok, if you're heart is in the right place. It's ok to put untrained workers on the job, as long you don't pay them very much.

That is all it was: racism. Put more highly trained workers at the job, and they may not know what it is, but they'll know what it isn't. Nah, but racism and fear is what fuels the fire. Without that fear, people would see it for what it was.

Guru, I'm sorry you just tasted some of the worst of what America has to offer.

Hopefully you can get what's yours back.
post #50 of 195
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Originally Posted by Stephonovich
I say go down and yell until you're blue in the face.
Noooo!

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Originally Posted by Stephonovich
They can't confiscate an amp.
They did and they'll do whatever they want "at the discretion of the TSA screener." It is discretionary and can vary greatly from airport-to-airport; screener-to-screener. I was able to carry some of our video camera products through, complete with cabling and transformers. I was wearing a coat and tie. I got stopped once for a cigar cutter, which is clearly on the approved TSA list. I was wearing jeans/T-shirt. I challenged the TSA screener courteously, requiring that they bring a supervisor over. I respectfully, but firmly told the TSA supervisor that I would not give the cigar cutter up and would make sure it was shipped home on my returned. They let me pass (phew).

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Originally Posted by Stephonovich
The whole 'National Security' thing has been taken way too far. Thank Dubya.
Yup! But no more complaining until 2008!
post #51 of 195
That sucks buddy. I really hope you get your stuff back man.

On that note,I'm gonna strongly advise you guys not to do or say anything stupid while dealing with airport security. These guys have the mandate,will and means to really do you some harm.

edit: I wrote a long,detailed post about a few incidents I responded to but I know it's illegal for me to disclose such details. I'm sorry.
Let me just say that TSA agents(yes,they call them agents ) can do some really terrible stuff to you and their authority over-rides even mine(I'm a LT.Firefighter/Paramedic) even when there is a clearly an injured victim.
post #52 of 195
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Originally Posted by Tuberoller
That sucks buddy. I really hope you get your stuff back man.

On that note,I'm gonna strongly advise you guys not to do or say anything stupid while dealing with airport security. These guys have the mandate,will and means to really do you some harm.

edit: I wrote a long,detailed post about a few incidents I responded to but I know it's illegal for me to disclose such details. I'm sorry.
Let me just say that TSA agents(yes,they call them agents ) can do some really terrible stuff to you and their authority over-rides even mine(I'm a LT.Firefighter/Paramedic) even when there is a clearly an injured victim.
Would the situation be better if these were highly skilled security professionals, getting ..well ok, maybe not the best pay in the world, but not minimum wage either?
post #53 of 195
Guru, sorry to hear you had the problem. You would think with all the equipment they have at there disposal when we go through the security area that they could figure out that a portable headamp is not an explosive. I go through airport security with my computer bag full of all kinds of cables, my phone, ipod and nver an issue. If they can figure out that my notebook, phone, ipod are not explosives than why not a portable amp. I agree with one of the above posts about calling the Airport offices and find out if they can assist you in trying to get the item back. The TSA website mentions a claims center you can contact about lost or damaged items. You may want to call them and see if they can put you in contact with the right people. I've read that much of the stuff confiscated is sold at auction or something like that. Good luck.
post #54 of 195
That is not a realistic situation though...pay doesn't change things, a high skilled pro is not going to want to do a job like that. Just like highly skilled professionals won't do your bagging at the grocery store either regardless of pay.

All that is really needed is a branch of command and communication so that they can easily go up and refer to someone who *is* somewhat trained/skilled (but they don't really seem to do that so whatever).
post #55 of 195
There's a flaw in that train of thought though. You can consider it unskilled labor if you like, but at the Helsinki-Vantaa airport it's not considered unskilled labor at all. These guys dress sharp and are well paid. When I asked if I needed to turn on my laptop, the guy just smiled and said "no, we can tell whether or not it's a notebook." And you don't have to open your bags either because of the behind-the-scenes security they have going on. These guys are slick, and may well be from private security firms. At any rate, they were nothing like the mindless drones that barely spoke English that we encountered at JFK. So pay scale and training do have some impact.

It was a question for someone more in the know, meaning, with the present security culture as it is, do you think that upgrading their training and pay to equal something more professional would help the situation any? Or would they still remain ignorant and racist? What's the point of security if they're not very smart?
post #56 of 195
Good points plainsong. We get what we pay for and the funds being used for TSA are definitely not being used to hire the best trained folks for security detail. It's hopeless, it really is.

guru, any luck with tsa?
post #57 of 195
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Originally Posted by tyrion
I've read that much of the stuff confiscated is sold at auction or something like that. Good luck.
Opening bid 1 canadian $.....

I dont know anything about airport regulation but stuff confiscated «could» be sold if and only if the item is in fact not part of the list from TSA that stevesurf posted earlier:

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Electronic Devices (That are OK...Edit by me....)

Camcorders Yes
Camera Equipment The checked baggage screening equipment will damage undeveloped film in camera equipment. We recommend that you either put undeveloped film and cameras containing undeveloped film in your carry-on baggage or take undeveloped film with you to the checkpoint and ask the screener to conduct a hand-inspection. Yes
Laptop Computers Yes
Mobile Phones Yes
Pagers Yes
Personal Data Assistants (PDA’s) Yes

Note Check with your airline or travel agent for restrictions on the use of these and other electronic items during your flight.

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So the situation is not that grim after all, but my $1 offer still stand...

Amicalement
post #58 of 195
Here is a link to an article from a year ago about selling of items confiscated at airports: USA Today
post #59 of 195
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Originally Posted by archosman
If this is what I have to look forward to in the future I think I'll skip flying...
This and worse. It's all downhill until every single US airline goes bankrupt, forcing them to restructure the entire system.

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Originally Posted by PinkFloyd
Please don't take this the wrong way GS ...... you've got a "dark" complexion and are, therefore, more likely to be pulled up for a check given the recent events and resultant paranoia that terrorists have managed to inject into the minds of American people.
Yup, it's a proven fact. Racial profiling is alive & well in the US. I have a few friends of Indian & Pakistani descent, every time we visit the US I breeze right through while they get the full treatment, shoes, bags, everything, and one of them's a Police Officer. It looks like they're "tough on terrorism", but it's just complete BS for political brownie points.

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Originally Posted by plainsong
There's a flaw in that train of thought though. You can consider it unskilled labor if you like, but at the Helsinki-Vantaa airport it's not considered unskilled labor at all. These guys dress sharp and are well paid. When I asked if I needed to turn on my laptop, the guy just smiled and said "no, we can tell whether or not it's a notebook." And you don't have to open your bags either because of the behind-the-scenes security they have going on. These guys are slick, and may well be from private security firms
A lot of the Customs & Security officers in Europe are from a law enforcement, military, or security background. Some are police officers who needed a career change, others are retired military, and so on & so forth, the point is they have a professional background, are well trained, and know what they're doing. They do a good job, and are quite well paid.

In the US, they're ****ing rent-a-cops. The guy searching your luggage today was probably flipping burgers at McDonald's a couple weeks ago. They're poorly trained & paid, and a lot of them have psychological issues and have no business being in a position of authority.
post #60 of 195
I heard the new and improved Airbag will not only house all your portable gear, but will have an expandable compartment for your head, thus making the Headroom Airbag no longer a misnomer.
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