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Early Impressions: PS-1 Pro Senn Cables

post #1 of 21
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About a week ago, Headfi member NotoriousBIG_PJ made an offer I couldn't refuse. Thanks to his generosity and some creative soldering on my part I now have the world's first Grado PS-1 Pro Senn 580/6x0 replacement cable. It looks more or less like the picture below, except that I've re-spliced it again to shorten the Senn cable bit to under 2 inches and make a better connection.



As I had to chop up my stock cable for the connectors, I can't do a comparison to the stock cable, thus comparisons were made with my Oehlbach replacement cable. I did take a brief listen to the stock cable before I cut it apart, and concluded that hacking it up was no big loss.

Early impressions, as I've only had it for 5 days. Like the Oehlbach cable, it brings you closer to the stage instead of having the middle to back of concert hall perspective of the stock cables. Not the front row feeling that a Grado 225 gives you, but it's maybe a row closer to the front than the Oehlbach. Unlike the Oehlbach, the PS-1 Pro cable gives me listening fatigue fast when using solidstate amps, tubes are a must to make it listenable for me, and even then I have to wait a good half hour for everything to warm up or risk having my ears hurt. Until then, it sounds dead & kinda harsh, and is no fun at all.

Other than that it's quite similar to the Oehlbach cable, as mentioned above it bring you a little bit further up and it also seems to be a tad more detailed. The highs seem a bit more extended but it's hard to be sure at this point. I do get a sense at times that my Senn 580s aren't quite "disappearing" as well as they did before, sounds seems to come more from the drivers instead of being located in space in my head, but then I swap back to the Oehlbachs to try & confirm it and it comes up inconclusive. It's something that I'll have to figure out over the long term.

My feeling so far is that these things are not forgiving, they might be on the bright side or maybe it's some treble harshness, I don't know yet. I'll have to write an update later on when I get more listening done.
post #2 of 21
Thanks for the impressions. I also feel the stock cable is lacking in smoothness. I did find the highs on your senn cans very harsh with the inner pad removed and olebach cable, is it still removed? If that problem is worse now, I'd imagine my ears would be shredded hehe. Its nice to finally get a comparison of the grado cabling.

Biggie.
post #3 of 21
Is the PS-1 cable made from UWB cable, like on the older Joe Grado line, or is it the same cable as used on the current RS-1's?
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by NotoriousBIG_PJ
Thanks for the impressions. I also feel the stock cable is lacking in smoothness. I did find the highs on your senn cans very harsh with the inner pad removed and olebach cable, is it still removed? If that problem is worse now, I'd imagine my ears would be shredded hehe. Its nice to finally get a comparison of the grado cabling.

Biggie.
The foam pad is still gone, but I've changed the fabric I replaced it with to something with a slightly tighter weave which has helped with the harsh highs. It's pretty much impossible to get smooth highs without completely wiping out treble detail & ruining the sound, so thus far I've erred a bit on the side of harshness and tried to tune my tube amp to cancel that out.
post #5 of 21
Now how about using an aftermarket Senn cable to recable the PS1's ??

I think the Zu Mobius could well tame the bass on those monsters...
post #6 of 21
I recabled my ps-1's using aural thrills beryillium copper wire and silver return wire. The cable uses a cardas audiophile plug and copper sheilding. The interconnects made with this wire smoke cables cardas neutral ref and vd audition and at their current prices are a steal vs. competing cables. I could have went the zu mobius route, but I'm betting it would be a significant downgrade from my current choice. My current ps-1 cable definetly exceeded my expectations for what it could do sonically.

Biggie.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by jpelg
Is the PS-1 cable made from UWB cable, like on the older Joe Grado line, or is it the same cable as used on the current RS-1's?
So does that mean I can get someone to chop up my hp-2's cable and replace the ps-1's? What would this do to the sonic qualities of the ps-1?
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by GoRedwings19
So does that mean I can get someone to chop up my hp-2's cable and replace the ps-1's? What would this do to the sonic qualities of the ps-1?

Nothing - because Headphile's Larry already has a ultra wide bandwidth cable of his own creation that he recommends.

Besides - butchering the HP2 takes away value BIG time...better to leave these as is and find a more modern alternative. Cable technology has improved quite a bit since the 90's
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
Nothing - because Headphile's Larry already has a ultra wide bandwidth cable of his own creation that he recommends.

Besides - butchering the HP2 takes away value BIG time...better to leave these as is and find a more modern alternative. Cable technology has improved quite a bit since the 90's
Thanks for the advice about leaving the hp-2's alone, how about if I chop up the hp-1's instead....
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by GoRedwings19
Thanks for the advice about leaving the hp-2's alone, how about if I chop up the hp-1's instead....

whoever is doing the chopping will have to chop through me first

But seriously - UHBWC bleh are quite common...fire an email to larry of headphile and he will be happy to recable your PS1's. The old cables are not damaged in this process and can be re-attached later if you want.
post #11 of 21

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Is the PS-1 cable made from UWB cable, like on the older Joe Grado line, or is it the same cable as used on the current RS-1's?
The PS-1 cable is exactly the same cable as the RS-1 and MS-Pro; it is not the superior HP-1000 UWB cable.
post #12 of 21
How can you say its superior, when you have never compared them side by side?

Keep spreading misinformation...

Biggie.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by NotoriousBIG_PJ
How can you say its superior, when you have never compared them side by side?

Keep spreading misinformation...

Biggie.
Now now...

This will be pretty hard to accomplish. You will have to "socket" your grados and the cable terminations for ABing
post #14 of 21
Someone else needs to make another senn cable out of the old grado cable. ^^

Biggie.
post #15 of 21

!

Except I have compared them side to side; the regular PS-1 (ayt999's) vs. the PS-1 with JGUWB cables (gpalmers')!
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