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IT'S HERE!!! IT'S HERE!!! The Beatles Box Set is HERE!!!

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Well, what a pleasant surprise...I wasn't expecting this until early December.

I'm talking of course, about the new Beatles box set, The Capitol Albums, Vol I. As a dope for the old American versions of all the earlier Beatles albums (see avatar), I've been hoping for this to come along for the better part of 20 years!! This is literally the music that I grew up on...been listening to it since I was 3 years old, bouncing on my rocking horse.

First impressions:

Ordered mine from Music Direct (see link in my sig to the thread). I must say that the packaging (white packing paper rolled around it in 4-5 layers) leaves something to be desired. At any rate, it got here undamaged, and that's my primary concern.

The box is a disappointment, frankly...it's flimsy. I had expected something like some of my other box sets...heavier, and in book format. This one is a thin cardboard box for a sleeve, covering an inner sleeve with two pockets. The albums (all four of their first American albums) in one pocket, and a book (again, a disappointment...smaller than I would have expected) in the other.

Then I took out the albums...they're so cute!! Little tiny versions of their albums!! They did a nice job with attention to detail...for a Beatlemaniac like me, that's important!!

I took one out...Meet the Beatles. I remember this rainbow label from my old vinyl. The lettering looks exactly like I remember it. Very nice...amazing the things that you remember. Gotta play this...

First I listen on the speakers...it seems like they've done something to balance the old LEFT-------RIGHT thing that the older albums seem to suffer from. It sounds pretty good...not as compressed as I remember. Seems fuller and richer.

Then I try it with the headphones....UGH!!! I guess they didn't do THAT much with the channel mix.

It does sound awfully good in the stereo mix, but let's check out the mono mix. My brother has been raving about the mono mixes for years, and even my buddies who are music nuts like me made fun of me for mentioning them. Let me tell you that they sound pretty good to me with the headphones on. Pretty amazing what a well-mixed mono track can bring.

Thus far, I've listened to Meet the Beatles and a few cuts on The Beatles Second Album. The latter sounds significantly better to me in the stereo mix. Don't know if it was mixed better this time around or what, as it had a reputation for being the worst of all the albums in that regard. I'll report back later...so far, so good.
post #2 of 15
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More impressions...

Well, after listening to the stereo mixes at work today (Headroom Total Bithead w/ crossfeed engaged), I've decided that the stereo mixes are actually very nice indeed. All one need to do is get vocals out of one ear and guitars out of the other, and the sound fills up very nicely.

They've done a very nice job with the remastering the stereo tracks IMHO. It's a good deal cleaner than from my custom made American versions from the British CD's (I've been burning my own "American" versions for years), that much is certain.

Compared to the stereo mixes (with crossfeed engaged), the mono tracks seem lifeless and a bit grainy. I have to wonder if they did much work on those tracks. I'll have to research this a bit and get back to y'all.

So...anyone else get theirs yet??
post #3 of 15
BTW did you see the AMA awards for the old Beatles footage? It sounded AMAZINGLY good for such an old clip - they really must have done a killer remastering job for that. I especially liked when Harrison was hammering down on that old Rickenbacker after the line "Oh Please, darlin' please" - TWANGTWANGTWANGTWANGTWANG..."I hope you understand..." in the part of the medley that was "I want to hold your hand."

I whipped out my copy of "Beatles:One" and eww, unlistenable on headphones. I really need crossfeed.
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
I missed it...my brother picked up the DVD's, and I'll have to give them a whirl one of these days.
post #5 of 15
I picked up this boxed set at my local Best Buy superstore. For the most part, the Dexterized American mixes of those Beatles tracks don't sound anywhere near as craptastic as I remember how some of my old late 1970s (orange label) and early 1980s (purple label) repressings of those very same Beatles LPs had sounded. Sure, there are a few flubs in this collection (the craptacular Duophonic versions of "She's A Woman" and "I Feel Fine" on the stereo portion of Beatles '65 and the obviously stereo-folded-down-to-mono "Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand" ("I Want To Hold Your Hand" in German) on the mono portion of Something New), and there are some other Duophonic fake stereo versions ("I Want To Hold Your Hand" on Meet The Beatles! and "She Loves You" on The Beatles Second Album) that are a little wacky but effective. But the sound quality on this set is definitely better than the subpar 1980s CD masterings of the UK albums (c'mon, you could have done MUCH better than playing back a MONO master tape on a stereo machine during the analogue-to-digital transfers!!). (True, the American Beatles albums on this set don't sound quite as good as their corresponding UK counterparts when they're all properly remastered. But hey, whadda ya expect from the American Beatles master tapes being second- or third-generation dubs from the UK stereo or mono mixes?)

All I can say is, "Bring on the newly remastered UK versions - properly transferred and remastered directly from the original first- or second-generation analogue master tapes!"

And with apologies to "Sennheiser Schmenheiser," I'll say "Abbey Road, Schmabbey Road" as long as that studio continues to butcher its remasterings with a heavy dose of "NoNoise" digital noise reduction!!
post #6 of 15

MFSL comparison?

It's nice to finally get a remastered version of the American albums, filling in the gaps and saving us from the horrible Capitol original CD '87 releases. My current favorite copies are the Mobile Fidelity LPs from the 80s (which were ported to CD by Dr. Ebbett's), but they only contain the British album releases. Any early comparisons between the MFSL's and these new Capitol releases? I'm quite curious.
post #7 of 15
Well, I some some Beatles fan might be pleased with this..

A new take on Beatles
post #8 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by elrod-tom
...The Beatles Second Album. The latter sounds significantly better to me in the stereo mix. Don't know if it was mixed better this time around or what, as it had a reputation for being the worst of all the albums in that regard.
I have original mono and stereo LP copies of The Beatles Second Album (purchased used just yesterday), and compared them to the CD of The Beatles Second Album. While the original stereo LP sounded pretty much like the stereo portion of that CD, the original mono LP sounded wrong even when compared to the mono portion of that same CD. Whomever had mastered the mono LP shaved off a good chunk of the mid-treble! No wonder why you thought The Beatles Second Album sounded significantly better in its stereo edition than in its mono edition (even though I thought the entire stereo LP of that album was drenched in reverb).

By the way, I had two other stereo copies of that album - both of which were late '70s/early '80s pressings (one with an orange label, the other with a purple label). IIRC only Side 2 (with the words "MASTERED BY CAPITOL" in the deadwax, signifying a Hollywood cutting of that era) of my purple-label copy sounded anywhere near as good as my original stereo vinyl or the CD. (The other three sides of my two later-pressing stereo copies all used lacquers cut in NYC rather than Hollywood - and the NYC-cut lacquers for that LP just happened to use a horrible-sounding dub of the LP master tapes!)
post #9 of 15
I've just ordered the new box set from All Music Direct. I've got the CD version of all of the original American albulm releases on Parlaphone/Capital (craptacular sounding at best). I've also got a bunch more on the CDM label which is marked as "for sale in Russia only". On the CDM discs, each CD they released essentially stuffed 2 Beatles albulms together. Of course they were equally craptacular sounding. So I'm hopeful, but I sure wish they would have done this box set in SACD!
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wmcmanus
I'm hopeful, but I sure wish they would have done this box set in SACD!
I'm betting that by NEXT X-Mas, you will see this. There's just too much money to be made for it not to happen. They know that knuckleheads like me will go right out and buy it.
post #11 of 15
I'm let down as well. I had a friend buy the set this weekend and we compared sound quality to the original CD british version CD issues that have been out for years.

It's nice to have the songs sequenced the way they were on the albums, but that's about the only positive. The sound is only marginally better and in some cases worse than what we already have.

The price $60, is absurd as well. $30 maybe.

I hope that there is a genuine remix. remaster in the offing. I'd buy it if it were available (especially if it were SACD).

I expect that though the next thing we will see is a limited edition Creative ZEN, in SGT. Pepper colors selling for $200 more than the regular zen with a $50 off the $450 digital beatles box set with 4 unreleased songs
post #12 of 15
The UK albums on CD could have been mastered better. Why did the EMI UK engineers choose to use the MONO master mix tapes of the first four albums - and then play them back on a STEREO machine when they did the transfers to digital? And when they transferred the mono tapes to digital using stereo equipment, they used one of three possible solutions:
  • They simply left the output as-is (that was the case with A Hard Day's Night);
  • They folded down the two output channels down to mono (done on Beatles For Sale, which caused its sound to become phasey); OR
  • They picked one of the two channels, and then copied that channel onto two channels of the digital master.
In the case of these particular UK albums, none of those methods produced good results. Proper remastering of a mono tape REQUIRES full-track mono tape machines to play back those vintage mono tapes on.
post #13 of 15
I'm waiting for them to get the stereo mix right... I've only heard my dad's old Apple collections (Red and Blue cover on vinyl). Someday...
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
I think about my DVD-A of Pet Sounds as an example of what might be possible with the older Beatles recordings. I hope that I'm not in the ground when that happens...at the rate they're going, I might be.
post #15 of 15

Stereophile Dog?

Michael Fremer, after being extremely skeptical of this set, finally heard it - and gave it a thumbs up!

If Ted Jensen can do a spectacular job of remastering this set, imagine how good of a result if someone of his caliber could remaster the UK albums on CD (which are in serious need of a remastering job)?
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