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post #196 of 299
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

I read through this thread and all I learned was @Beagle is a very very patient individual.

 

These flagships are increasing in price simply because they can. It really started when the LCD-3 nearly doubled the price of the LCD-2 and people gobbled it up. Since then the prices keep going up. Every year there seems to be a new crop of people in the hobby that will drop $5k to "get the best setup" and away we go.

 

Without people finally realizing there's very little (and in some cases no) improvement, the cycle will keep going. It's not like each new flagship is introducing some ground breaking technology. The last major change in the headphone world was Fang introducing planar drivers in the HE-5 (and even that was just a rehash of older technology).

 

If you're spending this kind of money on headphones you should ask yourself "why am I not spending this on speakers instead"? And don't get me started on IEMs and the whole portable market. The price/performance on IEMs and all those portable amps is astonishing. If you're dropping over $500 on any IEMs you should really be asking yourself "why am I not spending this on headphones instead"? 

The answer is simple for me. I prefer how earphones/IEM'S sound compared to over the heads without the need for an amp. Which I prefer not to have to use unless its built into the device/earphone/headphone such as my headbanger earsubs were. They stay in my ears when skateboarding while I have had over the heads fall off. They are also more portable as well, they fit in my pocket with room to spare.

 

Though I have never spent more than $100+tax


Edited by p4s2p0 - 1/10/17 at 9:41am
post #197 of 299
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

How often are you using them in a portable setting where you're really paying attention to sound quality? How often are you using them at home and paying attention to sound quality. I guess my point is if you're using those earphones in an at home environment more often then not, you could have spent that exact same money on a pair of headphones which would have yielded you better sound quality.

 

Same thing has been happening since the beginning of these portable DAC/amp units. They were so miserably behind in SQ when compared to a solid desktop unit of the same price. 

At home I use my earphones when I want to listen to music at loud volumes when it would be a bad idea with speakers  such as late at night early in the morning or just want privacy, and being away from home/speakers doesn't mean I focus on the music or its quality any less. 

 

Music has helped me a great deal in skateboarding as so I don't focus on falling giving me more confidence.


Edited by p4s2p0 - 1/10/17 at 9:37am
post #198 of 299
Very well put. The only electronic item I see getting updates steadily are home theatre receivers. And these are more of functionality updates like 4K and HDR capability that can improve listening and viewing experience.
Speakers and headphones are where money should be invested first.
post #199 of 299
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Originally Posted by p4s2p0 View Post

At home I use my earphones when I want to listen to music at loud volumes when it would be a bad idea with speakers  such as late at night early in the morning or just want privacy, and being away from home/speakers doesn't mean I focus on the music or its quality any less. 

Music has helped me a great deal in skateboarding as so I don't focus on falling giving me more confidence.


That and a lot of homes around the world have the in-laws etc etc living with thier childrens families.

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post #200 of 299
Just sold my Neumann KH120a monitors, made by Sennheiser by the way.
They sound pretty neutral and detailed and I'd say are on the same level as HD800.
But, and there's a big but...
You need incredible room treatment, and insanely accurate positioning and good stands, you need all of that in order to make them sounding as amazing and clear as the HD800.
Bottom line is, headphones are way more practical, no room treatment needed.
post #201 of 299
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

These flagships are increasing in price simply because they can. It really started when the LCD-3 nearly doubled the price of the LCD-2 and people gobbled it up. Since then the prices keep going up. Every year there seems to be a new crop of people in the hobby that will drop $5k to "get the best setup" and away we go.

 

I've already shown that flagships, compared to the past, are cheaper than they were. What we're seeing lately is not the price of flagships going up, but more companies making headphones in the $1000-5000 price range.  The two things are not the same. 

 

The main argument is actually whether or not manufacturers are pricing these headphones because that it is a realistic reflection of the costs involved in developing and making them (+ dealer mark-up) or because they are trying to market them as a super-premium component.

post #202 of 299

The burning question is, after all expenses, what is the % placed in the owners pocket for every dollar brought into the company?

 

 

 

80%

 

70%

 

60%

 

50%,

 

40%

 

30%

 

20%

 

10%

 

5%

 

< 5%

 

http://www.zoundindustries.com/investor-relations/

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post #203 of 299
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

I've already shown that flagships, compared to the past, are cheaper than they were. What we're seeing lately is not the price of flagships going up, but more companies making headphones in the $1000-5000 price range.  The two things are not the same. 

The main argument is actually whether or not manufacturers are pricing these headphones because that it is a realistic reflection of the costs involved in developing and making them (+ dealer mark-up) or because they are trying to market them as a super-premium component.

I agree Amos. The fact that the market can sustain so many more offerings in the 1k to 5k bracket is absolute evidence of very expanded high end market in just half a decade.

I think people get a bit frustrated, when in the start of this hobby, one could afford the best the industry can offer and stay with the latest and then a few years later the market expands and it becomes expensive to keep ip with the latest.

To put it into perspective. It's like BMW owners whinging of the very existence of Bugatti.

Meanwhile, Caterham and Aerial can keep up with the performance of Bugatti (around a track) at sane prices.

Just gotta identify the Caterham and Aerial of the headphone world.
post #204 of 299
Scam.
This is a manufacturing company.
post #205 of 299
The price of high end audio is independent of the cost of manufacturing. Even the engineering costs are not that much more because the same engineering techniques are reused from previous products.
post #206 of 299
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post


 It's like BMW owners whinging of the very existence of Bugatti.

 

 

I own a BMW 5 series and I like bugatti.

 

BMW have the best engine technology...if the 3 series wasn't electronically limited to 155 MPH then it could reach the same speed as a Bugatti EB110..

 

If only that kind of thing could be done in the headphone world (by the manufacturer) with cheaper headphones..like HD800 drivers inside Audio Technica ATH-M50X's or something...lol.


Edited by Audioholic123 - 1/13/17 at 10:36am
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Where can you drive 155 MPH ?
post #208 of 299
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Where can you drive 155 MPH ?

Legally?

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post #209 of 299
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Originally Posted by FullCircle View Post

Legally?

Autobahn biggrin.gif

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post #210 of 299
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Where can you drive 155 MPH ?

I've done it..but not on the autobahn  :ph34r:

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