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post #1021 of 1144
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Originally Posted by thesheik137 View Post

Just to confirm, will this be the cheapest (for US) mid-fi dap with streaming capabilities?
It's in the same price range as the Pioneer so it's not alone.
post #1022 of 1144

I'm particularly keen on having dual card slots, but if forthcoming reviews raise any doubts I'll need a Plan B as I cannot afford to buy badly. So, if I had to give up dual slots would X7+AM2 or AM5 be a good Plan B or is x7 still problematic? Or, how about X1(ii) + Mojo? Albeit costs rising with each option?

post #1023 of 1144
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Originally Posted by sjb57 View Post

I'm particularly keen on having dual card slots, but if forthcoming reviews raise any doubts I'll need a Plan B as I cannot afford to buy badly. So, if I had to give up dual slots would X7+AM2 or AM5 be a good Plan B or is x7 still problematic? Or, how about X1(ii) + Mojo? Albeit costs rising with each option?

X1(ii) does not have a digital output so you can't use it with the Mojo. The X3 and up are the DAPs with a digital output from FiiO.
post #1024 of 1144
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Originally Posted by sjb57 View Post

I'm particularly keen on having dual card slots, but if forthcoming reviews raise any doubts I'll need a Plan B as I cannot afford to buy badly. So, if I had to give up dual slots would X7+AM2 or AM5 be a good Plan B or is x7 still problematic? Or, how about X1(ii) + Mojo? Albeit costs rising with each option?
The X7 is still a work in progress from what I've read (although it's getting better). X1II is also a work in progress (also getting better), but if you've got money for a mojo, I'd look at Onkyo or Pioneer if you're worried about the X5III IMO. I don't think the X1II would be a good source for the mojo since it only has a line out (compared to X3II or X5II that have other output options). It's your money and your decision. I'd wait on more impressions and reviews before deciding. Things may get better by the time we get it released globally.
post #1025 of 1144
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Originally Posted by x RELIC x View Post


X1(ii) does not have a digital output so you can't use it with the Mojo. The X3 and up are the DAPs with a digital output from FiiO.

 

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Originally Posted by fourrobert13 View Post


The X7 is still a work in progress from what I've read (although it's getting better). X1II is also a work in progress (also getting better), but if you've got money for a mojo, I'd look at Onkyo or Pioneer if you're worried about the X5III IMO. I don't think the X1II would be a good source for the mojo since it only has a line out (compared to X3II or X5II that have other output options). It's your money and your decision. I'd wait on more impressions and reviews before deciding. Things may get better by the time we get it released globally.


​Thanks for the advice. My fingers are firmly crossed for the X5(3) - great spec & anticipated value. Also,  I fear buying X7 as I can imagine X7(ii) being announced to put more distance between it and the new X5? In any case, Q5 might give Mojo a run for its money if Q5 is DAC+A5?

post #1026 of 1144

its tough to see a new X7 coming out when they are still working on developing more amp modules for the X7. just my two cents. I ended up selling my X7, I have an AM5 module, fiio connector dock, and case for the X7 I need to get rid of now... oh joy >_>

 

really looking forward to comparing the X5iii and dp-x1a because honestly it's beginning to seem like the prices of the majority of these products are bloated when it comes to their delivery in SQ. 

 

I'm surprised that initial impressions are that it's similar to the X7 though, thought it would be easily superior.

post #1027 of 1144
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Originally Posted by fezzyness View Post
 

really looking forward to comparing the X5iii and dp-x1a because honestly it's beginning to seem like the prices of the majority of these products are bloated when it comes to their delivery in SQ. 

The equivalent [?] Pioneer 100R is now £350 but I was told it and the Onkyo are relatively low powered @ 75mW (maybe to extend battery charge?) & would need some kind of amp for ATH-M50X headphones which seemed self-defeating to my mind.


Edited by sjb57 - 1/11/17 at 1:58pm
post #1028 of 1144
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

 

Yep, all very nice info but let keep pure Onkyo discussion back to Onkyo's thread.

 

That sounds like an order to me - are you dictating what people can compare to the X5iii.

 

Why not let the mods do their job and let the guys compare what is fair and reasonable to compare.

post #1029 of 1144
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Originally Posted by sjb57 View Post
 

The equivalent [?] Pioneer 100R is now £350 but I was told it and the Onkyo are relatively low powered @ 75mW (maybe to extend battery charge?) & would need some kind of amp for ATH-M50X headphones which seemed self-defeating to my mind.


​that's not true, google the specs bud, I think it deserves a bit more credit haha

post #1030 of 1144
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​that's not true, google the specs bud, I think it deserves a bit more credit haha


​I have read that they now offer a Variable Line Out via firmware but I have no direct knowledge. I was very close to buying the pioneer x100r @£350 but the spec does say: 

 

AUDIO FEATURES

DAC & HP Amplifier: ESS SABRE DAC “ES9018K2M”  +  Headphone AMP “ SABRE 9601K”
Playable Audio Format: DSD/ DSF/ DSD-IFF/ FLAC/ ALAC/ WAV/ AIFF/ Ogg-Vorbis/ MP3/ AAC /MQA(Update)
Sampling rate and bits: 11.2MHz/ 5.6MHz/ 2.8MHz / 1 bit, 44.1k/ 48k/ 88.2k/ 96k/ 176.4k/ 192k/ 352.8k/ 384k, 16bit/ 24bit  (32bit float/integer can be played downconvert to 24 bit)
Supported Playlist date: M3U/ PLS/ WPL
Output: 75 mW + 75 mW (32O)
Total Harmonic Distortion: Less than 0.006 %
S/N Ratio: 115 dB over
Frequency Response: 20 Hz ~ 80,000 Hz
Impedance: 16 ~ 300 O
Gain: Low / Normal / High

 

And so I took the retailer's advice on face value as he was thus potentially losing a sale rather than adding a Dragon Fly Black to my shopping list.

 

Rightly or wrongly, I'm now  keenly awaiting the Fiio X5(3) to be released in the UK.

post #1031 of 1144

It's 75mW + 75mW, which I read to be 150mW in total (assuming it is 75mW per channel), which should be more than enough for portable use.

 

I've been eyeing up both the x100r and the X5 3rd (as well as toying with trying to get a x300r from amazon.jp).

 

I have no need for balanced output so all 3 are the same there. Other than that they are very similar products.

 

The one thing that concerns me about the FiiO is all the bugs people are facing with the X7, which shares firmware with the new X5. I know FiiO are quick to respond here, which I think is superb service, but the fact remains there are issues. The Pioneer seems a lot more stable in that regard. I just want to buy a player, load it up, and get listening.

 

I also prefer the interface to the Pioneer. The one feature the FiiO does have, which tempts me, is the inline remote controls support, which for me would be a big bonus.

 

End of the day though, both look like cracking players, and whilst I am very close to getting the Pioneer, I am still keeping my options open.

post #1032 of 1144
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

The problem with MQA isn't as much on its technicality but on the cost of its royalty fee. If it is reasonable, then of course FiiO will want to have it on all their DAP. I don't know the exact costs but I do know at least one manufacturer (*not FiiO, but someone else and it isn't a Chinese brand) has considered MQA but at the end has to give it up because MQA ltd. is asking for too much and they don't feel that the price will justifies the benefit.

 

Also note that MQA isn't an independent codec. It is an 'add on' to other codec by adding extra data onto the original compression (FLAC, ALAC, etc) on a separated data stream.. So even if a DAP doesn't support MQA, it will at least able to decode the music original data without MQA.


​Whether it is the next great thing or not (given the current shortage of MQA sources), Audioquest are just about to offer it free of charge to existing Dragon Fly Black / Red customers. Maybe MQA fees are volume dependent as they seek wider adoption?

post #1033 of 1144
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Originally Posted by sjb57 View Post
 


​I have read that they now offer a Variable Line Out via firmware but I have no direct knowledge. I was very close to buying the pioneer x100r @£350 but the spec does say: 

 

AUDIO FEATURES

DAC & HP Amplifier: ESS SABRE DAC “ES9018K2M”  +  Headphone AMP “ SABRE 9601K”
Playable Audio Format: DSD/ DSF/ DSD-IFF/ FLAC/ ALAC/ WAV/ AIFF/ Ogg-Vorbis/ MP3/ AAC /MQA(Update)
Sampling rate and bits: 11.2MHz/ 5.6MHz/ 2.8MHz / 1 bit, 44.1k/ 48k/ 88.2k/ 96k/ 176.4k/ 192k/ 352.8k/ 384k, 16bit/ 24bit  (32bit float/integer can be played downconvert to 24 bit)
Supported Playlist date: M3U/ PLS/ WPL
Output: 75 mW + 75 mW (32O)
Total Harmonic Distortion: Less than 0.006 %
S/N Ratio: 115 dB over
Frequency Response: 20 Hz ~ 80,000 Hz
Impedance: 16 ~ 300 O
Gain: Low / Normal / High

 

And so I took the retailer's advice on face value as he was thus potentially losing a sale rather than adding a Dragon Fly Black to my shopping list.

 

Rightly or wrongly, I'm now  keenly awaiting the Fiio X5(3) to be released in the UK.

 

I have a feeling you're not going to regret it

post #1034 of 1144
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Originally Posted by gamingdave View Post
 

It's 75mW + 75mW, which I read to be 150mW in total (assuming it is 75mW per channel), which should be more than enough for portable use.

 

I've been eyeing up both the x100r and the X5 3rd (as well as toying with trying to get a x300r from amazon.jp).

 

I have no need for balanced output so all 3 are the same there. Other than that they are very similar products.

 

The one thing that concerns me about the FiiO is all the bugs people are facing with the X7, which shares firmware with the new X5. I know FiiO are quick to respond here, which I think is superb service, but the fact remains there are issues. The Pioneer seems a lot more stable in that regard. I just want to buy a player, load it up, and get listening.

 

I also prefer the interface to the Pioneer. The one feature the FiiO does have, which tempts me, is the inline remote controls support, which for me would be a big bonus.

 

End of the day though, both look like cracking players, and whilst I am very close to getting the Pioneer, I am still keeping my options open.


​yeah many have said it works well with the HD600, what is the total power for the X5iii?

 

X7 was riddled with issues, thankfully the online retailer was understanding when I told them paying $650 for a flagship that hadn't left beta was a bit ridiculous and they accepted my return. Most understanding customer support tbh. FiiO is awesome at responding, but this has been going on for months. I think they're putting their eggs into too many baskets, they've got new headphones, amp modules, and players, all coming out at once. Great products and service, just waiting for them to have a stable product line with their android daps.

post #1035 of 1144
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Originally Posted by superuser1 View Post
 

 

I'm sorry but as far as i have been following this thread no where has either FiiO or anyone who is currently using the x5 iii claiming the DAP to have MQA. AFAIK MQA is a proprietary UK based tech company and they say this:

 

"MQA will be available across select streaming and download services. On conventional players without an MQA decoder, MQA will sound better than CD quality." and

 

"To truly unlock the richness of MQA you’ll need a device or software with an MQA decoder. On playback of MQA content, the player indicates that you are hearing exactly what the artist recorded and approved in the studio."

 

i am therefore guessing that it is possible even without a dedicated decoder either software/hardware based but whether fiio will implement it is a question only they and time can answer. Please correct me if im getting something wrong.


​The title of the thread includes the phrase "Mastering Quality Audio" which reasonably causes some people to have the impression that MQA might be supported by the device even though MQA is really "Master Quality Authenticated."  It's evident that's the case as a few people have asked if this is a feature. 

 

I think it is commendable that FiiO has answered a lot of questions on this thread but I find it strange they seem to ignore this one.  It's not a hard one to answer with a simple "yes" or "no."  I get MQA licensing and other concerns may not fit in FiiO's business model and that should be OK--the product is compelling enough without it.  But, not answering the question directly and using terminology like "Mastering Quality Audio" seems odd to me and I can see how it would be misleading.

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