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post #526 of 645
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastergill
Hey Nik you should already accept bids on your Qualia setup, so when Omega 3 will be realised you'll be able to speed the process even more. LOL

Anyway carry on my friend you make for great, great fun on this board!

Hi Mastergill,

I have good reasons to believe that the Qualia 010 sound good with the Manley 300B ...

Best!
Nicola
post #527 of 645
someone mug Nik and Mastergill and bring the RP010 and 300B to the qualia meet this sunday, por favor.
post #528 of 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nik
Surely!

I like more the best one

Best!
Nicola
LOL... well, we've heard that before havent we?

In any case I will reserve judgment until a few people can compare and give their thoughts.
post #529 of 645
ok so here's what I'm thinking... What if sony applied some of their rocket science r&d to designing a fully integrated electrostatic system? I mean, if the omega is better than the r10, how hard can it be for sony to make an electrostat system better than the 010 system in nik's possession? I just don't get sony's dedication to dynamic designs... I mean, look what sennheiser did for their be all end all system!
post #530 of 645
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Originally Posted by Flasken
ok so here's what I'm thinking... What if Sony applied some of their rocket science r&d to designing a fully integrated electrostatic system? I mean, if the omega is better than the r10, how hard can it be for Sony to make an electrostat system better than the 010 system in nik's possession? I just don't get Sony's dedication to dynamic designs... I mean, look what Sennheiser did for their be all end all system!
What about if they are not interested at all in electrostatics??? Not everybody like them, and just a few manufacturers made them nowadays. The rest will never make one. Or maybe they do believe that they could reach the same performance with a dynamic one....they get it now with the Qualia, so IMO it is possible.
I don't know exactly which the answer will be, but IMO modern life try to simplify life too much, for weird and illogical that it seems to all of us, electrostatics needs a dedicated electrostatic amp, and usually those are expensive, if the Qualia alone is about 3600.00 could you imagine an electrostatic system at that level, which the cost will be?

OTOH with dynamic cans, there is not too many manufacturers that suggest the use of any headphone amps with their products, not even Sony with the Qualia, even when all of us know that they will benefit from them...So to make the answer simple, most of the people who get headphones don't even know their existence, so they are "saving money" (ignorance is a bliss we do not have anymore) in not getting a dedicated amp for them, but with an electrostatic system they are obligated to get an amp, that will cost an extra, some of the future purchasers will look at that as a problem....remember that not everybody try to get so much info before buying headphones, as we did....
post #531 of 645
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Originally Posted by philodox
Now this is a guess because I have heard neither headphone in question. But I would think that at this level it is less a question of which is better and more a question of which do you like.
If they were that close, Nik would have kept both.

But, you're right. it doesn't mean it have to be your cup of tea.
post #532 of 645
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Originally Posted by tourmaline
If they were that close, Nik would have kept both.
Thats not really his style now is it?

I'm just saying that we need more comparisons before we can start definatively saying that the Qualia 010's are better than the Omega II's.
post #533 of 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by philodox
Thats not really his style now is it?

I'm just saying that we need more comparisons before we can start definatively saying that the Qualia 010's are better than the Omega II's.
Sure, no problem with that either.

well, if he likes two phones, he would keep them both. now he thinks the qualia is at least a bit better, he sold his last flagship.
post #534 of 645
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I was now reading for another time that very good full rew of eric343 (http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75749).

When I read it for the first time I was agree with all he said... now my opinion (after the Qualia 010 experience) is a little changed, do not forghet that all is relative... as someone said!

eric343 do not find the bass of the Omega II too much, I find. This is jus one thing.

The different I found beteween the Omega II and the Qualia 010 is similar to the different that eric343 designe in his rew.

I never heard the BO, but I'm thinking that the Qualia 010 would be the dynamic version of that beauty. Just my two cents ...

Best!
Nicola
post #535 of 645
Sovkiller,

I think you are right that sony has chosen dynamic in the past because it's easier to sell, but the qualia line isn't really about making money - it's about sony showing off. OTOH it's also about sony experimenting with cool new technologies that they can then pass down the product chain.. Without being able to make use of their high end technologies in mainstream designs, sony probably would not even consider going all exotic. And for a giant like sony, the fact that there is a market alone probably isn't enough for them to invest in electrostats.
post #536 of 645
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I'm really convinced that the Qualia 010 is the most advanced headphone ever made between the dynamics and the electrostatics, all the headphones. I hope you understand my opinion not just because I own a Qualia... I'm not interested in this kind of discussions, I'm only telling my personal opinion based on my experiences with many TOP cans.

When I speak of neutral and of the original event in the recording I'm nont speaking of the "real" (live) but what is exctly recorded in that CD. There are a lot of things that even with the Omega I never heard. If a little reverber or something else are recorded you must listen them.

As I said a lot of times I'm not looking for the most pleasure headphones system of the world, no! I'm for the most precise in the sense of fidel presentation of the musical information your player is reproducing.

If I like a lot the bass, I buy a double bass, not a headphones! If I like a lot the strings I buy a guitar or ... the hi-end instrument must be correct reproducing each of these musical instruments without preferences, this is my opinion and this is what I'm interested to have.

The Omega/Egmont was more neutral (as I explained) than the R10/Angstrom and I sold the R10/Angstrom. Now the Qualia/RP010 is much more neutral than the Omega/Egmont, this is sure! And with the same coherent I sold the Omega/Egmont.

All the other cans, as Grados, Sennheisers and others, are not in the same class of these 3 cans we are speaking.

If you listen for five minutes the Qualia and than you come back to the HD 650 you have a wall in front of you.

Not so easy to find the perfect or a good driver for the Qualia, very sensitive. I doubt that there is just one tube amp that do not produce some hiss or hum with this can... and even a lot of SS amps.

To be honest the RP010 goes incredibly better than the RP5 cav that was a bit noisy with the Qualia (and perfect with the HD 650). But I can hear a very, very ,very little "ssss" even with the RP010, this hiss is always lower than any other hiss I can hear in the recordings (even in ECM records), so I'm not so disturbed, but Rudi told me that he will do something for delete this hiss. He is also thinking to change the pot for a DACT. I'll tell you soon...

This is what I think, but as every new and advanced thing, we need to understand well what we have in our hands.

Best!
Nicola
post #537 of 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flasken
Sovkiller,

I think you are right that sony has chosen dynamic in the past because it's easier to sell, but the qualia line isn't really about making money - it's about sony showing off. OTOH it's also about sony experimenting with cool new technologies that they can then pass down the product chain.. Without being able to make use of their high end technologies in mainstream designs, sony probably would not even consider going all exotic. And for a giant like sony, the fact that there is a market alone probably isn't enough for them to invest in electrostats.
I think that Sony showed off already with the R-10, no need of this new one, and even at a lower price 2600, vs 3999.99, Don't you think? Shhh....Just between you and me, after hearing both, I will choose the R-10 anytime over the Qualia, I like it a lot, I love it...period, is the more seductive headphone I have ever heard, OTOH, the Qualia did not impressed me at all, maybe is what Nik said, I'm looking something that I really enjoy, regardless of if it is accurate or not. BTW I heard also the HD650+Zu, the new PS-1 and the legenday HP-1000 hooked on a modded Melos, and I concluded the same, IMO the R-10 is the best among them, or to word it properly, at least, I preffer it over them by a huge margin, even more, I even preffer my CD3000 over any them.
post #538 of 645
It is a good thing to be happy with the gear that one ends up with.
post #539 of 645
Thread Starter 
I try to explain what I'm learning with this lat setup ... and thanks to the Qualia. My only interest is to tell you guys what I learn... so all the post that speak of other littel considerations I think are not so interesting...

After a lot of headpohnes and most of the best onthe world, I have now this concept: I judge the best headphone (and even amps and sorces ...) that one that has the biggest "variablity" in sound. If you can listen some of your CD so bad, but so bad that you never whant to hear them another time and when you can listen another CD so good, so good that you cannot stop your player, surely you have the best setup you can desire... this is only my personal opinion. I do not whant more that kind of systems that gives to the owner hours and hours of pleasure ... NO! If I whant this I go the concert. I do not need to have the Linn Sondek just for this... I remember one of the most pleasure setup I had was the little Rega Planet with the MF Xcan and the Grado RS-1, good, very good and all the CD was so good and the music was very relaxed ... I do not whant more a thing like that! Or even the RP5 cav + HD 650, the same very, very good music I listened from that setup...

The Qualia 010 (I think is the most advanced headphone ever made) has this "variability" so hi, that I never see before. This is the first point I consider when I judge one headphone !!!

Best!
Nicola
post #540 of 645
Nik but so you must buy only cd with good quality incision but often many cd that like us have not good quality.

Ciao
Salvatore
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