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post #301 of 645
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
Yep, but electrostatic has another functioning principle.
not really sure what you mean here

Also, looking into the RP5 a little closer, wouldnt it be more of a hybrid? It has a tube input stage and a solid state output stage...

Anyways, I didnt want my original comment to be taken as an attack at Nik or anything, just a thought. I'm sure these are both amazing headphones and I wish I had half the gear that Nik does.
post #302 of 645
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Originally Posted by philodox
not really sure what you mean here

Also, looking into the RP5 a little closer, wouldnt it be more of a hybrid? It has a tube input stage and a solid state output stage...

Anyways, I didnt want my original comment to be taken as an attack at Nik or anything, just a thought. I'm sure these are both amazing headphones and I wish I had half the gear that Nik does.
Nik's is RP5 CAV not the one on the page.....
post #303 of 645
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
Nik's is RP5 CAV not the one on the page.....
yeah, thats the one I was looking at Rudistor RP5 CAV
post #304 of 645
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
I would prefer the first scenario over the second. I could be wrong - in which case - please educate me
While I guess your scenarios are theoretically plausible, I have never seen a frequency graph approaching the linearity you propose, regardless of the claimed width of the headphone's frequency response beyond the human 20-20k range. I doubt the 010's approach that either (for all practical purposes, or otherwise).

I encourage you to listen to a pair of 010's and then tell me how deep you can actually hear the bass frequencies go before rolloff occurs. Maybe we can figure out how to objectively measure a pair at the next Qualia store meet. Until then, rely on your own ears. They're the only one's you have to satisfy.
post #305 of 645
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Originally Posted by jpelg
Maybe we can figure out how to objectively measure a pair at the next Qualia store meet. Until then, rely on your own ears. They're the only one's you have to satisfy.
If you want I can make a test CD with different tracks of various frequencies. The crazy thing about this is you'd be listening to various tones and not real music.

Maybe we can just pick some songs and I'll run a low pass filter on them or something just so we can hear the bass?
post #306 of 645
All I know from my untrained ears is that the 010 sounded like it had no bass. Less bass than the R10, the MS-2, the K1000, even the KSC-35. That's what my ears told me, don't shoot the aural messenger!

Oh and on warmness- the 010 didn't sound warm to me. I don't know if the R10 is colored, but give me colored any day when Suzanne Vega licks her lips and you can hear her tounge whetting her orfice with the R10. Far better than the 010, which sounded like a gal on a cold day crisply applying moisture to her cracked lip chips. Yeah a 010 will reveal every crack and crevice of that lip chip - but who wants to hear a lip chip? I want to just think "hmm, Suzanne is licking her lips. Yum."

(Insert many caveats and YMMVs and IMHOs above)
post #307 of 645
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Originally Posted by JaZZ
The reason why highest resolution is dependent on neutrality (= accuracy): a corruption of frequency response means also a corruption of transient response (and vice versa).

Another aspect: It is a bad precondition to have an erratic amplitude behavior at different frequencies if you want to be able to perceive and differentiate multiple frequencies at the same time -- another definition of resolution.

Of course harmonic distortion is another factor to consider. Even a headphone with neutral balance can have low resolution if it's affected by a high degree of harmonic distortion.

I am still all the way with you jaZZ. i can't see one without another.
wouldn't you call a high degree of harmonic distortion "coloration"?
the harmonics affect eachother hence you get not a pure sound.
post #308 of 645
Guys (Jahn, Ian, jpelg, and the rest...) did you know if the Qualia at that meet in the NY store, were all properly burned in, or they were brand new from the box......it sounds to me that something is fishy there, you could like it or not, of course, but I don't think Sony will offer a headphone at that price point, with those flaws, and to the point of sounded wrong to some of you, sorry, but I can't believe that......unless something was wrong there....
post #309 of 645
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Originally Posted by tourmaline
wouldn't you call a high degree of harmonic distortion "coloration"?
True! Harmonic distortion, if audible, is a coloration as well. With my last post I was just trying to take up the perspective of someone who understands coloration merely as a distorted frequency response (therefore the term «balance») and thinks threre's no reason why resolution should be affected by it.

post #310 of 645
I think that you guys are trying to go to deep into an art with complicate technical language, and hard to spell names.....
IMO is simple as that, listen to the music, with the gear you preffer, if you like what you heard, it is good, forget about distortion, colour, neutrality, accuracy, details, etc....and their definitions, that will mean nothing at the end if you like the result.

BTW, most of the analog rigs in the past, were affected by huge amount of distortion, bad mics, bad cables, bad concepts, and limitation of the technical gear behind them in general, and we still love them, and the funy thing is that we are trying to make our sophisticated digital modern technique, sound like those anolog monsters......
post #311 of 645
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
Guys (Jahn, Ian, jpelg, and the rest...) did you know if the Qualia at that meet in the NY store, were all properly burned in, or they were brand new from the box......it sounds to me that something is fishy there, you could like it or not, of course, but I don't think Sony will offer a headphone at that price point, with those flaws, and to the point of sounded wrong to some of you, sorry, but I can't believe that......unless something was wrong there....
I could just be the setups we used. The sony 9000es sacd with a sr71 just was bright with any can. the toshiba 3960 with the stealth was tubey but the highs were a bit recessed (according to lan). the pioneer and the krell were probably the best combo, but even then Bozebuttons commented that the 010 would probably fare better will his Cary amp. But with all these combos, and with all three 010s there (small, med, large) the same characteristics were present. I'm not too sure it was a preference thing either - i was under the impression that we had a pretty good spectrum of likes/dislikes in the room, but we all came to near the same conclusions on the 010. Finally, as for burn-in, I couldn't answer that for you. But I know the cans I brought were relatively new as well, and yet still evidenced more bass (but less detail) than the 010. Again, I have to say that the 010 is a great can - but like the 501, it's not my cup of tea.
post #312 of 645
you're starting me dreaming now what ms2 can do to your ears ...
post #313 of 645
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Originally Posted by boodi
you're starting me dreaming now what ms2 can do to your ears ...
Oh don't get me wrong, the MS-2 was CREAMED by the R10, 010, and K1000 that were present of course! But what it can do, it does very well. No, it doesn't do soundstage better than any of the above, but then again none of the above rival it in bass (but the R10 has a sweet bass too). The gutsy impact you get with the MS-2 is still more involving than, hmm, the 010, but the K1000 was fun in its own way, and the R10 just rocked. And yep the MS-2 is neutral and detailed - when compared to a grado. The trinity of cans above outclass the MS-2 in that respect too.

But then, you know what? By the end of the meet I didn't want to throw my cans in the trash. And that's saying something.
post #314 of 645

re: burn-in?

Sovkiller -

The burn-in question is a good one. We don't know and we should find out. I do favor the K1000 and 501, so it's obvious that I do like detail, quick response, big soundstage, etc., and I do feel the 010 is very promising. Nonetheless, I also felt that there were too many things wrong with the sound coming out of the Q010 at Sony NY, and I agree that the bottom end was severely deficient. With the Phillips/Krell setup and some recordings, it did some things brilliantly -- but definitely presented a brittle, discontiguous spectrum -- not a whole, integrated sound. Some instruments and voices were richly textured with startling harmonic subtleties, air and space around them, with surface sounds and breathing apparent. Other instruments were too recessed or thin-sounding. The soundstage was deep but narrow. Definitely something fishy, as you said.

After we clear up the burning burn-in question, we really should at least try again with the Cary300SEI/Meitner combo (and others, if someone comes forward with something wonderful), and be sure they are thoroughly burned-in before another critique. And we'd better examine every step in the chain, from the power mains, to cables and connectors, and the best SACD variety we can manage. I expect the other members of the group have greater technical savvy than I do, but my ears are just fine.
post #315 of 645
Where's da dang pics!
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