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post #286 of 645
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
NIK WILL FIND FOR SURE THAT RIG, leave that task to him.....LOL...



Colouration has nothing to do with the details, AFAIK, an example: CD3000 is extremelly detailed, and it is conmsidered as coloured, by some members....RS-1, the same....So IMO colouration, is just the particular way, in which the headphone (or gear in question) presents the recording to our ears...but the details could, or not, be there, depending on the case....FWIW

OTOH, PS-1 having the same drivers as RS-1???? I have never heard such statement before, please could you enlighten us, and let us know where did you get that information....According to what I have read, the PS-1 is a complete redesigned, and new project, just for Europe (Germany) even it has some "particular sound" with more bass extension than the prior line, and for some members, it is in the same league of the HP-1 family, which the RS-1 is not part of...(others will not even accept that idea)
It was based on old information. it might be a new designed driver. the info was not that clear when i red about the can and all speculation. i am not interested in it. that's why my knowledge might not be up to date.

is the cd3000 as detailed as the new qualia?
this one is way more neutral and hence more detailed and transparant. so, yes, i still think coloration has a bad influence on detail. the more neutral the phone, the more information (theoretically) the phone can produce.

if it's all true what you say why spend that much money on cables and stuff just to get that last bit of detail out of the recording? why are companies spending so much money on research to get the most neutral equipment and cables? why are cables that give us the most detail called neutral reference for instance? They don't add anything to the original signal, hence don't "color" the signal.

Originally Posted by JaZZ
I think both sides, Tourmaline as well as lan/Jahn/Zeplin, are right.

«Neutral» actually means the same as «true to the original signal» in every aspect, hence includes transparency/resolution/detail, so a more neutral headphone tends to sound more resolving. But often the term is associated solely with the sonic balance, so it's absolutely possible that a coloring headphone has higher resolution than a more balanced one. Anyway, an uneven frequency response is a bad precondition for high resolution and true detail fidelity by nature, so it's not completely wrong to give the more neutral sonic balance higher credit when it comes to resolution.


convince me.
post #287 of 645
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Originally Posted by philodox
I just wanted to point out that as well as moving from the Omega II's to the Qualia 010's, you are also changing amps. Your Omega's are being driven by a tube amp and the Qualia's are being driven by a solid state amp of completely different design.

This is the danger I think when comparing dynamic headphones to electrostatic headphones... you can never use the same amp in the comparison.damn... thats what I was going to say

oh well, can't afford it anyways
Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC Nik is driving the Qualia also from a tube amp for now, the new upcomming Rudistor amp for the Qualia, is still on the bench, not on his hands....(a tube amp that will reach a figure near 165 KHz, is really hard to achieve properly, that is why he is problably using SS instead....)

BTW there are always differences while judging different gear, or headphones, it doesn't matter what kind, all of them, have different impedances, designs, sensibilities, etc...so this case is the same as any other.....And another point to consider is that it doesn't matter which amp are you using, amps won't perform the same with different loads, so what's the point on using the same......my advice is that to judge two different headpohones properly, why not trying them out of the best system for each, you are judging at the end, not just the headphones, but the system as a whole, don't forget that...
post #288 of 645
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Originally Posted by tourmaline
It was based on old information. it might be a new designed driver. the info was not that clear when i red about the can and all speculation. i am not interested in it. that's why my knowledge might not be up to date.

is the cd3000 as detailed as the new qualia?
this one is way more neutral and hence more detailed and transparant. so, yes, i still think coloration has a bad influence on detail. the more neutral the phone, the more information (theoretically) the phone can produce.

if it's all true what you say why spend that much money on cables and stuff just to get that last bit of detail out of the recording? why are companies spending so much money on research to get the most neutral equipment and cables? why are cables that give us the most detail called neutral reference for instance? They don't anything to the original signal, hence don't "color" the signal.

Originally Posted by JaZZ
I think both sides, Tourmaline as well as lan/Jahn/Zeplin, are right.

«Neutral» actually means the same as «true to the original signal» in every aspect, hence includes transparency/resolution/detail, so a more neutral headphone tends to sound more resolving. But often the term is associated solely with the sonic balance, so it's absolutely possible that a coloring headphone has higher resolution than a more balanced one. Anyway, an uneven frequency response is a bad precondition for high resolution and true detail fidelity by nature, so it's not completely wrong to give the more neutral sonic balance higher credit when it comes to resolution.


convince me.
I think you are confusing neutrality, with accuracy, one headphone could be neutral and detailed, or neutral and not so detailed, coloured and detailed or coloured and not so detailed. Neutrality and colouration are the ways they present the overall freq spectrum relative with the original signal...but this has nothing to do with details or microdinamics IMO one thing has nothing to do with the other.
The HP-1 is considered detailed and neutral, the CD3000 is detailed and coloured, is the HP-1 more detailed than the CD3000, becasue it is more neutral? The R-10 is also very detailed, but it is coloured in some way, euphonic as some used to say....

Please I would like that owners of both please, shime in with some more opinions....I can talk only for the CD3000...

OTOH to be closer to the signal you are playing, or to the signal recorded, IMO it is not neutrality, it is accuracy....
post #289 of 645
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
I think you are confusing neutrality, with accuracy, one headphone could be neutral and detailed, or neutral and not so detailed, coloured and detailed or coloured and not so detailed. Neutrality and colouration are the ways they present the overall freq spectrum relative with the original signal...but this has nothing to do with details or microdinamics IMO one thing has nothing to do with the other.
The HP-1 is considered detailed and neutral, the CD3000 is detailed and coloured, is the HP-1 more detailed than the CD3000, becasue it is more neutral? The R-10 is also very detailed, but it is coloured in some way, euphonic as some used to say....

Please I would like that owners of both please, shime in with some more opinions....I can talk only for the CD3000...

OTOH to be closer to the signal you are playing, or to the signal recorded, IMO it is not neutrality, it is accuracy....
accuracy can only be obtained by neutrality! adding something to the signal will influence the signal. neutrality will add nothing, hence the most pure signal can be heared.

my experience is that the most neutral equipment also give me most detail and transparancy.
post #290 of 645
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Originally Posted by tourmaline
accuracy can only be obtained by neutrality! adding something to the signal will influence the signal. neutrality will add nothing, hence the most pure signal can be heared.

my experience is that the most neutral equipment also give me most detail and transparancy.
It is true that an accurate headphone has to be also neutral, but a neutral headphone has not necessarily to be accurate (talking about details and microdynamics)....there are a lot of neutral mediocre dull headphones out there, and not detailed at all, and they are not accurate neither, but are neutral......BTW I love details and hate the neutral and flat, gear..........euphony rules the world!!!!!
post #291 of 645

And what about the specs?

Does anybody know the specs of the Qualia phones?

Like freq. response, THD, impedance.

Nik, you should find that in the manual. Just curious.

Thanks.
post #292 of 645
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Originally Posted by Mastergill
Does anybody know the specs of the Qualia phones?

Like freq. response, THD, impedance.

Nik, you should find that in the manual. Just curious.

Thanks.
Driver: 50mm、ドーム型
Rated Power: 1,500mW(IEC)
Impedance: 70Ω(1kHz にて)
Sensitivity: 100dB/mW
Freq Response: 5-120,000Hz
Cable Composition: 6N-OFCリッツ線着脱式
Weight: 200gコード含まず)
post #293 of 645
Frequency response is 5Hz~120kHz
Impedence is 70ohms
post #294 of 645
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Originally Posted by lan
Frequency response is 5 Hz~120 kHz
That's higher than any electrostat can go...

post #295 of 645
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5Hz
Don't believe the spec sheet. More like 50Hz
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120kHz
Great for my dog
post #296 of 645
The reason why highest resolution is dependent on neutrality (= accuracy): a corruption of frequency response means also a corruption of transient response (and vice versa).

Another aspect: It is a bad precondition to have an erratic amplitude behavior at different frequencies if you want to be able to perceive and differentiate multiple frequencies at the same time -- another definition of resolution.

Of course harmonic distortion is another factor to consider. Even a headphone with neutral balance can have low resolution if it's affected by a high degree of harmonic distortion.

post #297 of 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sovkiller
Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC Nik is driving the Qualia also from a tube amp for now, the new upcomming Rudistor amp for the Qualia, is still on the bench, not on his hands....(a tube amp that will reach a figure near 165 KHz, is really hard to achieve properly, that is why he is problably using SS instead....)

BTW there are always differences while judging different gear, or headphones, it doesn't matter what kind, all of them, have different impedances, designs, sensibilities, etc...so this case is the same as any other.....And another point to consider is that it doesn't matter which amp are you using, amps won't perform the same with different loads, so what's the point on using the same......my advice is that to judge two different headphones properly, why not trying them out of the best system for each, you are judging at the end, not just the headphones, but the system as a whole, don't forget that...
Lighten up man

I was not aware that the current amp he is using is a tube amp, but my point still stands that it is difficult to compare electrostatic and dynamic headphones. The fact that you can't use the same amp with each set of headphones is a big deal. Sure some amps work better with different dynamic headphones and BTW I realize that there are always differences, but at least it is possible to hear two dynamic headphones on the same amp.

Let me give you a scenario: You have two dynamic headphones, one is driven better by AMP A and one is driven better by AMP B. You still have the option of listening to both headphones on both amps.
post #298 of 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by philodox
Lighten up man

I was not aware that the current amp he is using is a tube amp, but my point still stands that it is difficult to compare electrostatic and dynamic headphones. The fact that you can't use the same amp with each set of headphones is a big deal. Sure some amps work better with different dynamic headphones and BTW I realize that there are always differences, but at least it is possible to hear two dynamic headphones on the same amp.

Let me give you a scenario: You have two dynamic headphones, one is driven better by AMP A and one is driven better by AMP B. You still have the option of listening to both headphones on both amps.
Yep, but electrostatic works based on another principle, though they have different needs, different current voltages etc....and there is nothgin to do about that, take it or leave it.....
post #299 of 645
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Originally Posted by jpelg
Don't believe the spec sheet. More like 50HzGreat for my dog

While we cannot hear those frequencies outside the 20-20000 range THEY DO affect how linear the rest of the response will be. Imagine a curve like this for the response of a driver to various frequencies :-


Driver designed for 5hz-120khz :



driver designed for 20hz-20000hz :



I would prefer the first scenario over the second. I could be wrong - in which case - please educate me
post #300 of 645
Nik - Congrats on the headphones. Reading your impressions has made my wallet flinch.

Quick question: Do you frequent live classical symphony performances often?

Just trying to get an impression of your reference. I find people who go to live performances often have generally different opinions than those who don't. Neither camp is right or wrong, but it helps me calibrate when interperting someone elses opinion

Enjoy the cans!
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