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post #271 of 645
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Originally Posted by tourmaline
With good equipment you hear the "flaws" much easier. You will hear what you feed at it! And if it is a bad recording, it will sound bad!

the degree of coloration is of importance , ofcourse. There is no equipment without it's own signature. equipment with almost no signature is very revealing and equipment with a severe signature can hide sometimes "minute" flaws, wich otherwise you would hear with "neutral" equipment. Hence the term "forgiving".
Sorry I just don't agree with this. A good piece of equipment will let you see deeper into the recording and that's a good thing even on a bad recording to me.

I believe detail retreival and neutrality are different things. You can have colored and very detailed and neutral and soso detailed. I don't believe the two have a completely direct linear relationship.
post #272 of 645
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Originally Posted by lan
Sorry I just don't agree with this. A good piece of equipment will let you see deeper into the recording and that's a good thing even on a bad recording to me.

I believe detail retreival and neutrality are different things. You can have colored and very detailed and neutral and soso detailed. I don't believe the two have a completely direct linear relationship.
i would have to agree with lan. the R10 was more colored than the 501 for instance, but the R10 had an obvious leg up in detail over the 501. the 501 when compared to the R10 would be dry and thinly detailed, while the R10 has a lush detail. The Qualia 010 is a supremely neutral can, and i would say more detail than the R10 too - but i found the neutrality to be a bit boring (no bass? bah!) By the way, it's all relative- the MS-2, though neutral for a Grado, is less detailed than the RS1 for instance (and still more colored than the R10, 010 and the 501).
post #273 of 645
I'd say I completely agree with Ian and Jahn too. Just because something sounds more neutral, doesn't mean it autmatically can have or does have more detail. The two are NOT and are hardly ever directly correlated...it may seem like it, but I don't think it is true at all.

Also, to the people calling the Sony Q10 the "holy grail"...isn't it a little too early to be calling it that!??? Always Remember, there is no such thing as the "holy grail" or best headphone ever...the best lies in the ears of the beholder. For instance, from what the Q10 is described to sound like, I don't think it wil be a headphone for me, despite the materials used and quality of the headphone. I will however still try it and for sure find out then...something I can't wait for! I simply prefer a more coloured sound...to me, that is more magical. The comfort of the headphone alone looks like enough for me to warrant a purchase (if I had the money)!
post #274 of 645
To me, the most colored equipment also sounds less detailed.

could be just me.

example:
the rs-1 is considdered quite colored. the ps-1 is generally the same driver but with aluminium earcups wich adds less "color" to the sound. all people say the ps-1 is more detailed then the rs-1. how come? removal of the "color"?!

In general i think that the most neutral equipment is capable of reproducing the finest details. equipment wich adds nothing to the sound itself.
wether it sounds pleasing or not is a whole different story. someone can like some "coloration" whilst others like neutral very detailed sound wich can be "dry" or "boring" for some people.

that's why there is so much different equipment out there. one for every taste.
post #275 of 645
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Originally Posted by Jahn
i would have to agree with lan. the R10 was more colored than the 501 for instance, but the R10 had an obvious leg up in detail over the 501. the 501 when compared to the R10 would be dry and thinly detailed, while the R10 has a lush detail. The Qualia 010 is a supremely neutral can, and i would say more detail than the R10 too - but i found the neutrality to be a bit boring (no bass? bah!) By the way, it's all relative- the MS-2, though neutral for a Grado, is less detailed than the RS1 for instance (and still more colored than the R10, 010 and the 501).
that's just the simple step up in equipment. the r10 is much more expensive.
try comparing equipment in the same pricerange. then you will hear(see) that equipment wich is less colored also is capable of reproducing more (micro)details.

Krell for instance is trying to combine those two (detail and livelike sound).
with varying success. you see, it still is quite hard to make equipment wich is very detailed and sounding sweet at the same time.
most very detailed equipment sounds less sweet or livelike, most colored equipment isn't capable of producing as much detail as the neutral ones.

matter of taste.

well, that's my experience anyway.
post #276 of 645
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

colored, non colored, neutral, ecc. ecc. just one thing I know now: IMPOSSIBLE TO COME BACK TO THE OMEGA ...

Best!
Nicola
post #277 of 645
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Originally Posted by Nik
Hi all,

colored, non colored, neutral, ecc. ecc. just one thing I know now: IMPOSSIBLE TO COME BACK TO THE OMEGA ...

Best!
Nicola
So, Nik found another sweetheart!

does this mean you're gonna part with your omega setup?
post #278 of 645
I think both sides, Tourmaline as well as lan/Jahn/Zeplin, are right.

«Neutral» actually means the same as «true to the original signal» in every aspect, hence includes transparency/resolution/detail, so a more neutral headphone tends to sound more resolving. But often the term is associated solely with the sonic balance, so it's absolutely possible that a coloring headphone has higher resolution than a more balanced one. Anyway, an uneven frequency response is a bad precondition for high resolution and true detail fidelity by nature, so it's not completely wrong to give the more neutral sonic balance higher credit when it comes to resolution.

post #279 of 645
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Originally Posted by JaZZ
I think both sides, Tourmaline as well as lan/Jahn/Zeplin, are right.

«Neutral» actually means the same as «true to the original signal» in every aspect, hence includes transparency/resolution/detail, so a more neutral headphone tends to sound more resolving. But often the term is associated solely with the sonic balance, so it's absolutely possible that a coloring headphone has higher resolution than a more balanced one. Anyway, an uneven frequency response is a bad precondition for high resolution and true detail fidelity by nature, so it's not completely wrong to give the more neutral sonic balance higher credit when it comes to resolution.


spot on JaZZ.
post #280 of 645
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Originally Posted by Jahn
Josh from the Qualia store was very clear in saying that the 010's ability to perform extends beyond what sony currently makes. Very interesting that Sony's official line would be that their top of the line SACD player is inadequate to truly show what the 010 can do across the entire frequency spectrum it can represent - but yet that's what they said. I agree - this can needs a better rig to really let it shine. Who knows if such a rig even exists out there. It will be a fun challenge for some to find that synergy (because honestly I didn't hear it that Sunday.)
NIK WILL FIND FOR SURE THAT RIG, leave that task to him.....LOL...

Quote:
Originally Posted by tourmaline
To me, the most colored equipment also sounds less detailed.

could be just me.

example:
the rs-1 is considdered quite colored. the ps-1 is generally the same driver but with aluminium earcups wich adds less "color" to the sound. all people say the ps-1 is more detailed then the rs-1. how come? removal of the "color"?!

In general i think that the most neutral equipment is capable of reproducing the finest details. equipment wich adds nothing to the sound itself.
wether it sounds pleasing or not is a whole different story. someone can like some "coloration" whilst others like neutral very detailed sound wich can be "dry" or "boring" for some people.

that's why there is so much different equipment out there. one for every taste.
Colouration has nothing to do with the details, AFAIK, an example: CD3000 is extremelly detailed, and it is conmsidered as coloured, by some members....RS-1, the same....So IMO colouration, is just the particular way, in which the headphone (or gear in question) presents the recording to our ears...but the details could, or not, be there, depending on the case....FWIW

OTOH, PS-1 having the same drivers as RS-1???? I have never heard such statement before, please could you enlighten us, and let us know where did you get that information....According to what I have read, the PS-1 is a complete redesigned, and new project, just for Europe (Germany) even it has some "particular sound" with more bass extension than the prior line, and for some members, it is in the same league of the HP-1 family, which the RS-1 is not part of...(others will not even accept that idea)
post #281 of 645
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Originally Posted by Nik
Hi all,

colored, non colored, neutral, ecc. ecc. just one thing I know now: IMPOSSIBLE TO COME BACK TO THE OMEGA ...

Best!
Nicola
I'm very glad of hearing that you are enjoying your new toy that much....so we expect to see the Omegas for sale pretty soon, eh?

I will PM you some comparative questions later.....
post #282 of 645
Thread Starter 
The Qualia is the most transparent headphones, the most warm, the most bright, the most musical, the most precise, the most detailed, the most... the most...

this is NETRALITY for me !

Best!
Nicola
post #283 of 645
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
I'm very glad of hearing that you are enjoying your new toy that much....so we expect to see the Omegas for sale pretty soon, eh?

I will PM you some comparative questions later.....

I have dibs on the OMEGA-2 + Egmont!!!
post #284 of 645
I just wanted to point out that as well as moving from the Omega II's to the Qualia 010's, you are also changing amps. Your Omega's are being driven by a tube amp and the Qualia's are being driven by a solid state amp of completely different design.

This is the danger I think when comparing dynamic headphones to electrostatic headphones... you can never use the same amp in the comparison.
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
I have dibs on the OMEGA-2 + Egmont!!!
damn... thats what I was going to say

oh well, can't afford it anyways
post #285 of 645
So,where are the pics?
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