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post #181 of 645
completely agree with above. more open than grados lol- your wives will hate you. the cable is very microphonic. but the red and blue pads are ok imho.
post #182 of 645
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Originally Posted by dolifant
Is it still OK to love my R10s? Are they now a $4K anachronism. I doubt it. I am beginning to think it is all to easy to keep chasing your own tail in this hobby. At some point, you have to just sit down and play the music and say, this is just fantastic.
I find this true with music also. I found that I was always chasing after the quest for new music, and then it dawned on me to revisit cd's and LP's that I haven't listened to, in quite some time. I have found that I have hundreds of hours of tunes that used to be my "new" music, that sort of got lost in the archive section of my "recreational drug" world. Of course, a lot of my older stuff is dull in quality, and I can't listen to them any more. But I have a lot of things that still bring happiness in my listening pleasure. I will try to remember why I bought them in the first place.
Same holds true with equipment. If you brain is constantly analyzing what the soundstage sounds like or "are these the cleanest highs?", you suddenly realize that you didn't really listen to the last 3 minutes of the song, and isn't that what it is really all about?
I guess it should be a balance between the two.

Nik...Congratulation on the new excitement in your life. These are the times audiophiles quest for.

I still am having a hard time getting over the Omega II's farting noise...I want to be able to move my head when I listen to music without having a heart attack (something the R-10's give me solace in).

PS- How did I miss out on the NYC Qualia Meet this weekend?
post #183 of 645
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Originally Posted by JaZZ
Really? I don't really know Sony's model-palette history, but I was referring to top headphones such as the R10 and the CD 3000. What open high-end phones did Sony produce? (I wouldn't call the MDR-F1 -- which I've owned -- high end.)

Well, the F1 is an obvious example, but the fact is that Sony's original top of the line surround can with DSP and laser gyro positioning (Sony VIP-1000) was completely open, and here's the bomb...The MDR-CD3000 is an open can. Some people are aware of this, some are not. There is a vent port all the way around the circumfrence of the phone. There is 0 back pressure/loading on the backside of the CD-3000 diapragm. When you put the CD3000s on, you'll notice they offer almost no attenuation of the room. That's because they're completely open cans even though they don't look like it.
post #184 of 645
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Originally Posted by kevin gilmore
I still don't have mine yet, but spent most of a day with a demo
pair from the local sony rep. These really are amazing headphones
however i have noticed a few things i really don't like. (none of which
are sound issues)

1) They are open. Very open. External sounds rip right thru. I can't
imagine more than 3db of isolation. So it is absolutely necessary to
listen to them in a quiet room. They also make a bit of external
noise too, so someone sitting next to you would definitely hear them.
(as bad as omega2's in this respect, so who cares)

2) They scream for balanced drive. The connectors are standard
lemo connectors and it is very easy to fabricate a dual mono set
of cables. I really don't like the stock cable, although it is thin it
is nowhere near the flexibility of say the cardas cable. Also playing
with the cable results in audible (physical) noise into the headphones.
(like the ety's)
They are actually easier to drive than expected (i.e. low inductance)
and more efficient than i expected from the specifications.

3) I don't like red.

One thing i really like is that they can play loud. Very loud. Dangerously
loud in fact. And do so with very little distortion. Once in a while
an hour of loud rock is a good thing. Dynamic intensity is really there.
Bass still seems a slight bit slim compared to the omega2's.

Boy these cans are sounding so very interesting, especially when you start praising them. They couldn't be any more open than the K1000, right? It will be neat to hear what a balanced amp will do.
post #185 of 645
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Originally Posted by JaZZ
Sorry for the confusion! It happens that I'm faster with posting than thinking over the whole issue.

No problem
post #186 of 645
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Originally Posted by kwkarth
...The MDR-CD3000 is an open can. Some people are aware of this, some are not. There is a vent port all the way around the circumfrence of the phone. There is 0 back pressure/loading on the backside of the CD-3000 diapragm. When you put the CD3000s on, you'll notice they offer almost no attenuation of the room. That's because they're completely open cans even though they don't look like it.
You're right, and I knew that the CD 3000 is not an closed headphone in the classical sense. But it's just as little an open headphone in the classical sense. There's a cavity on the rear which certainly has its acoustic/sonic impact (reflections) like it's expected from closed systems, and the baffle is airtight and sound impermeable, unlike with typical open headphones (HD 6X0...), which makes for a different coupling to the ears -- so the CD 3000 theorethically (haven't heard it) behaves quite exactly like a closed headphone. That's why I have some different expectations from the really open Qualia 010.

post #187 of 645
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Originally Posted by Iron_Dreamer
Boy these cans are sounding so very interesting, especially when you start praising them. They couldn't be any more open than the K1000, right? It will be neat to hear what a balanced amp will do.
in my short listening life, i think i've only heard one can more open than the 010 - the K1000.
post #188 of 645
The opener the can, the gooder the sound...

post #189 of 645
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Originally Posted by JaZZ
You're right, and I knew that the CD 3000 is not an closed headphone in the classical sense. But it's just as less an open headphone in the classical sense. There's a cavity on the rear which certainly has its acoustic/sonic impact (reflections) like they are expected from closed systems, and the baffle is airtight and sound impermeable, unlike with typical open headphones (HD 6X0...), which makes for a different coupling to the ears -- so the CD 3000 theorethically (haven't heard it) behaves quite exactly like a closed headphone. That's why I have some different expectations from the really open Qualia 010.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "the baffle is airtight and sound impermeable" since it serves no practical purpose more than cupping your hand over the back of an HD600 would. Put the CD3ks on without sound playing in them and listen to the ambient sounds of the room. You'll notice very little attenuation of ambient room noise.

The CD3000 behaves exactly as an open headphone, as a matter of fact, exactly as the Qualia 010. The circumaural earpad is essentially the same with respect to sealing all around the ear. The back of the driver on both cans is open to the outside world, in the CD3k by virtue of circumferential porting, and in the case of the 010 by virtue of totally open back. The CD3k back does not provide any acoustic loading or damping to speak of, although I'm sure it does provide some acoustic coloration.
post #190 of 645
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Originally Posted by Edwood
Whatever it was, it was surprisingly thin. My mistake, probably not the Neutral Ref cable then. I'm sure it works magic, and cures all of the HD650's (albeit relatively small) shortcomings.

-Ed
I guess neither of us knows what the cable does or does not do for the HD650. Since we have not got to hear it. I was hoping you could offer some thoughts on it. I'm in the market for another pr. of balanced cables to try with the HD650 and the new amp from Mikhail when it gets here. I hate to special order something I might like as much as the Zu/XLR.
post #191 of 645
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Originally Posted by kwkarth
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "the baffle is airtight and sound impermeable" since it serves no practical purpose more than cupping your hand over the back of an HD600 would.
The «baffle» is the part of a headphone carrying the driver and on which the earpads are fixed. If it's open and sound permeable, low frequencies can escape to the rear (and into the open); if it's closed, the membrane, the air volume in the cavity between driver and ear and the ear drum act as an entity with low frequencies. This is a principal difference between closed and open headphones and calls for different driver parameters -- membranes of open headphones for this reason have to make larger excursions. In turn they don't change the coupling characteristic with frequency, other than closed systems.

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The CD3000 behaves exactly as an open headphone, as a matter of fact, exactly as the Qualia 010. The circumaural earpad is essentially the same with respect to sealing all around the ear. The back of the driver on both cans is open to the outside world, in the CD3k by virtue of circumferential porting, and in the case of the 010 by virtue of totally open back. The CD3k back does not provide any acoustic loading or damping to speak of, although I'm sure it does provide some acoustic coloration.
The latter point is the essential one and combined with my above mentioned points makes me expect the CD 3000 to behave virtually like a closed headphone.

The HD 580/600/650's baffle is quasi-open and sound permeable. As to the Qualia: I don't know if its baffle is open or closed. Maybe Nik can tell us?

post #192 of 645
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Originally Posted by tom hankins
I guess neither of us knows what the cable does or does not do for the HD650. Since we have not got to hear it. I was hoping you could offer some thoughts on it. I'm in the market for another pr. of balanced cables to try with the HD650 and the new amp from Mikhail when it gets here. I hate to special order something I might like as much as the Zu/XLR.
Heheh, what? Mikhail is making a balanced output amp for you?! Do tell! Please?

-Ed
post #193 of 645
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Originally Posted by mjg
Is it at all possible though, that the best stuff might not be the most expensive stuff?

Enjoy your new gear, and thank you.

P.s MasterGill:

You are always starting flame wars, chill out on that, jealousy gets you no where. I'm sure everything is subjective here anyways.
Hi man,

I don't think i'm always starting flame war. Damn this is discussion forum!
If you're afraid of beeing challenged don't post on public forum! If it's done without insulting each other, a little heated debate is mandatory, that give life to a forum, otherwise it would be boring, extremely boring IMHO.

And i'm really not jealous, i don't know what that mean, i got everything i need and more.

And yes, hopefully the best stuff is not the most expensive.
post #194 of 645
I'm jealous of this guy: Impressive Rig

chill out, guys!
post #195 of 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by tom hankins
I guess neither of us knows what the cable does or does not do for the HD650. Since we have not got to hear it. I was hoping you could offer some thoughts on it. I'm in the market for another pr. of balanced cables to try with the HD650 and the new amp from Mikhail when it gets here. I hate to special order something I might like as much as the Zu/XLR.
tom hankins,

If that can give you an idea, in comparison with the standart Cardas, the N.R. is much more open or transparent. You feel like you can hear 'deeper' into the recording. More details are present. The soundstage is a lot more precise in all direction, extremely holophonic.

I did not feel the frequency range was extended, bass and treble are clean and sharp but mostly due to the better signal to noise ratio of this cable, thus more details.
Note that i was very happy with the bass and treble of the standart Cardas.

I don't have a "balanced" one (there's a semantic problem here guys, these cables you talking about ARE NOT BALANCED but DUAL MONO-ED, correct me if i'm wrong) but you can expect the same sound signature with better soundstage!

So if the Zu give you that (or more!) in comparison with the standart Cardas that you know, i think you don't need it.

I've wrote a small review some month ago, you should find it with a little search.

Good luck with your new amp.
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