Audeze iSINE 10 & iSINE 20: Audeze releases two new IEM planar magnetic earphones
Sep 9, 2016 at 12:54 PM Post #331 of 7,348
Criticisms are fine, arrogant "well because I'm an engineer, that means I know best..." crap on an unreleased product is just pointless and leads to arguments, not discussion.


I was replying specifically to a quote calling out the 'critics' of these pairs on a lack of engineering expertise lol. You don't like an appeal to authority? Take it up with the original poster that made it, and better yet don't just regurgitate one back: 'but teh audeze engineers!'

For those of you actually interested in the physics as to why this design is likely the result of having emerged fully formed from the cocaine encrusted ******* of corporate marketing rather than any legitimate engineering endeavor:



This is the output of a fullwave simulation showing the interface between an ideal plane wave on the left passing through what is actually a comparably forgiving taper mockup (VERY gradual in terms of wavelength scale, compared to what you'd need for these cans!). This planar waveform source to the left is what Orthos like Audeze proper cans do a better job at producing than edge excited diaphragms like traditional dynamic elements. As this waveform propagates towards the right, it hits the aperture of our tapered transition and we can see the reflections and discontinuities that result from this impedance discontinuity. Because of the nice taper design, most of the energy couples through the transition, but as you can see the resulting waveform that emerges from the taper to the right is non-planar.

The resulting harmonic distortion can be compensated by eq'ing out the impulse response of the transition (and enclosure which isn't even present here!) to accomplish linearity or -as is more often the case with these newer phones - achieve a specific 'desired' coloration. This is exactly the boat you are in with dynamic elements!

To be clear, the transition in this case would actually be far more abrupt, and the plane wave source is actually much, much closer to the discontinuity (meaning the deformation from reflection, even at the source will be far more severe).

So you are paying a high price for a transducer that will have very little positive benefit physically. Good if you want to 'differentiate your product' from the market, stupid if you want to do design according to several centuries of established physics.

I am sure that these will sound good. My $10 Koss KSC75s sound good (with a better warranty than these to boot!) - you add in a sunk cost fallacy and brand loyalty (mmmmm soft science!) and you have yourself a promising recipe for FOTM here at Head Fi. But I really doubt people will still be talking about these in 20 years in the same way that they do quality BA and Ortho cans.
 
Sep 9, 2016 at 2:24 PM Post #333 of 7,348
For those of you actually interested in the physics as to why this design is likely the result of having emerged fully formed from the ...


Doesn't the ear do all that anyway?
 
Sep 9, 2016 at 6:25 PM Post #336 of 7,348
@das Mookid

While I agree with the physics. This possible deformation is true of any dynamic driver that is larger than the nozzle. Add to that balance armatures have even more problems. It wont be perfect but it could still be very good.
 
Sep 9, 2016 at 8:21 PM Post #338 of 7,348
@Das Mookid
 
Thank you for the nice Gif that educates everyone on what happens when you try to push a plane wave through a tapered channel. That would be a horrid acoustic design indeed! The problem you outlined is one faced by most iem designs including BA. That is why over the past two years, we have developed a technologies to address these issues for planar drivers.
 
There is more to iSine's  sound-port than what meets the eye.  We developed a patent pending technology that uses a carefully designed wave-guide structure inside the sound-port to improve  phase, frequency response, and reduce diffraction. This results in improved acoustic loading, improved reflection characteristics, and decreased sound distortion. The Harmonic distortion we have measured are close to negligible and is the best we have seen in any iem (Irrespective of the price. And we have compared it with other designs including BA and electrostats that cost several times the iSine20 price)
 
Here are THD measurements we made comparing iSine20 with electrostatic iems. Blue and Purple traces are iSine20, Red and Green traces are electrostats. Measurements were made at 100dB SPL.
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Here are the THD measurments we made comparing iSine20 and a well regarded BA iem that costs North of $1000. Orange and Pink are L and R channels of the BA iem, Blue and Purple are iSine20. Measurements were made at 100dB SPL.

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And finally, the THD remains (Green trace) below 1% even when we play at an insane 130dB SPL! This time, we did not even attempt to test BA and electrostats alongside for fear of damaging them. They will just fall apart at this level. We doubt any other inear headphones that available can come close to this performance. 
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Finally a word on your simulation.  The output is not open. We have sealed ear canal and eardrum at the end which will create totally different  sound propagation behavior than what your image shows.

 
If you are still not convinced, come visit our office and you will see that we are not a bunch of cocaine encursted ****, but a bunch of nerdy engineers.


I was replying specifically to a quote calling out the 'critics' of these pairs on a lack of engineering expertise lol. You don't like an appeal to authority? Take it up with the original poster that made it, and better yet don't just regurgitate one back: 'but teh audeze engineers!'

For those of you actually interested in the physics as to why this design is likely the result of having emerged fully formed from the cocaine encrusted ******* of corporate marketing rather than any legitimate engineering endeavor:



This is the output of a fullwave simulation showing the interface between an ideal plane wave on the left passing through what is actually a comparably forgiving taper mockup (VERY gradual in terms of wavelength scale, compared to what you'd need for these cans!). This planar waveform source to the left is what Orthos like Audeze proper cans do a better job at producing than edge excited diaphragms like traditional dynamic elements. As this waveform propagates towards the right, it hits the aperture of our tapered transition and we can see the reflections and discontinuities that result from this impedance discontinuity. Because of the nice taper design, most of the energy couples through the transition, but as you can see the resulting waveform that emerges from the taper to the right is non-planar.

The resulting harmonic distortion can be compensated by eq'ing out the impulse response of the transition (and enclosure which isn't even present here!) to accomplish linearity or -as is more often the case with these newer phones - achieve a specific 'desired' coloration. This is exactly the boat you are in with dynamic elements!

To be clear, the transition in this case would actually be far more abrupt, and the plane wave source is actually much, much closer to the discontinuity (meaning the deformation from reflection, even at the source will be far more severe).

So you are paying a high price for a transducer that will have very little positive benefit physically. Good if you want to 'differentiate your product' from the market, stupid if you want to do design according to several centuries of established physics.

I am sure that these will sound good. My $10 Koss KSC75s sound good (with a better warranty than these to boot!) - you add in a sunk cost fallacy and brand loyalty (mmmmm soft science!) and you have yourself a promising recipe for FOTM here at Head Fi. But I really doubt people will still be talking about these in 20 years in the same way that they do quality BA and Ortho cans.

 
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Sep 9, 2016 at 11:07 PM Post #343 of 7,348
Any pics of the i3 yet?
 
Sep 10, 2016 at 6:36 PM Post #344 of 7,348


Thank you for taking the time for this detailed, very patient and gracious response.

These plots certainly do speak to some amazing performance, and at the end of the day that is impossible to argue with as a deliverable.

I have a fundamental enough grasp on wave physics to be very impressed with the quality and density of the transition required here, but clearly only enough to get me in trouble much past that - I look forward to finding more about the techniques used as possible and hearing the results!
 

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