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post #8521 of 9503
Nanaholic,

Any guess about the wm1a?
post #8522 of 9503
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Originally Posted by Shmuel View Post

Nanaholic,

Any guess about the wm1a?

Are you asking about synergy with the Z1R? If so Whitigir had that combination and found it just too warm sounding. Not sure if that is what you were getting at/asking about.

post #8523 of 9503
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Originally Posted by Shmuel View Post

Nanaholic,

Any guess about the wm1a?

 

As WM1Z and WM1A has the same power output it should be the same.

 

EDIT: Just to elaborate, if you want to know whether the WM1 walkmans will drive the Z1R loud enough - the answer is YES via balance, it will go loud enough to make them act like small speakers if you put the Z1R on the table at 3/4 volume output on high gain.  Whether you like that sound though is going to be personal and subjective.


Edited by nanaholic - 3/20/17 at 8:59pm
post #8524 of 9503
My 1Z is at around 70 with low gain too on my Z1R. I've turned it down a few times with compressed music. But usually 70 is plenty loud. I can comfortably drive the Z1r from my iPhone 6s. It doesn't sound as good but it's plenty loud. And the 1Z balanced has much more power than an iPhone.
post #8525 of 9503

I use the (single) Woo stand also. 'love that stand.

post #8526 of 9503
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Originally Posted by koroshiya8 View Post

Ok folks, i have a really trivial question to ask you guys.. what headphone stand do you rest your Z1R on ? i recently purchase the Copper Color stand.

The build is solid but the width at the top is a bit too thin and is causing a mark on the headphone when i rest on it, thus i think i should change my stand to something else.
Would the Omega stand be more suitable ? 



I used a gorilla pod zlr zoom, to wrap it around the aluminum grille before my window, attached a clamp used for attaching a cellphone to the stand and hang it there in the shade. Frees up my desk, doesn't squash my ear pads to induce wrinkles on my precioussssssss.
Also placing a small piece of silicon mat between the z1r and the clamp leaves no wrinkles on the headband of my precioussssssss... gollum gollum*

I feel uncomfortable if my z1r rest on the audio quest perch7a8d5de7_AudioQuestPerch-04896.jpeg.
Thats going to leave 2 indentations on my z1r
Edited by Imperfectionist - 3/20/17 at 11:13pm
post #8527 of 9503
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Originally Posted by Imperfectionist View Post


I used a gorilla pod zlr zoom, to wrap it around the aluminum grille before my window, attached a clamp used for attaching a cellphone to the stand and hang it there in the shade. Frees up my desk, doesn't squash my ear pads to induce wrinkles on my precioussssssss.
Also placing a small piece of silicon mat between the z1r and the clamp leaves no wrinkles on the headband of my precioussssssss... gollum gollum*

I feel uncomfortable if my z1r rest on the audio quest perch.
Thats going to leave 2 indentations on my z1r

Well that is a shame, I guess I'll have to take back what I had heard in the video review. Odd, but mediahound seemed to like it with the Z1R. Looking at this and thinking about it is clear that the stand is not a good idea. My apology for suggesting it be considered. I will have to contact mediahound and ask if he has since changed his mind about the stand with the Z1R or if he still feels it is suitable.

 

Here is the link to the thread http://www.head-fi.org/t/838111/audioquest-perch-headphone-stand-available-now/15#post_13346629


Edited by Sonic Defender - 3/20/17 at 11:42pm
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post
 

Well that is a shame, I guess I'll have to take back what I had heard in the video review. Odd, but mediahound seemed to like it with the Z1R. Looking at this and thinking about it is clear that the stand is not a good idea. My apology for suggesting it be considered. I will have to contact mediahound and ask if he has since changed his mind about the stand with the Z1R or if he still feels it is suitable.

 

Here is the link to the thread http://www.head-fi.org/t/838111/audioquest-perch-headphone-stand-available-now/15#post_13346629

No worries fellow z1r comrade. You gave a honest suggestion to the best of your knowledge and it is nothing that needs any apologies. 

 

I am simply OCD when it comes to taking care of my stuff.

 

Please do not let my OCD affect you because as always, your suggestions are invaluable to our z1r comrades. :beerchug: 

 

I checked out the thread and....

 :beyersmile:


Edited by Imperfectionist - 3/21/17 at 12:26am
post #8529 of 9503
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Originally Posted by Imperfectionist View Post


I used a gorilla pod zlr zoom, to wrap it around the aluminum grille before my window, attached a clamp used for attaching a cellphone to the stand and hang it there in the shade. Frees up my desk, doesn't squash my ear pads to induce wrinkles on my precioussssssss.
Also placing a small piece of silicon mat between the z1r and the clamp leaves no wrinkles on the headband of my precioussssssss... gollum gollum*

I feel uncomfortable if my z1r rest on the audio quest perch7a8d5de7_AudioQuestPerch-04896.jpeg.
Thats going to leave 2 indentations on my z1r

 

LOL

 

I plan to by Perch headphone stand for my Z1R.

but when look at your image. I change my mind.
Z1R look very awkward on that... :blink:

post #8530 of 9503
I will say to avoid omega as a stand ive had atleast two of my earpads ruined on those stands...i would just leave it in thr box flat. The case for the z1r is great.
post #8531 of 9503
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Originally Posted by Shmuel View Post

Nanaholic,

Any guess about the wm1a?

I have a EU capped ZX1. For me it is loud enough on 50% volume for all music but Classical. On Classical I need 70%. I guess a US WM1A would just blow my ears.
post #8532 of 9503

Gents and Ladies. Grab a whisky, put on your headphones (look out towards the city lights if you can):

 

post #8533 of 9503
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Originally Posted by Shmuel View Post

Nanaholic,

Any guess about the wm1a?

For me, under the Sony store conditions, with the 4 HI Res files in the player, even with the balanced high gain, I found I had to pump it up to 109. I was a bit surprised vs usually with my files in my X5 high gain, I go up to about 75. The specs show 240mw at 16 ohms. I was unable to get my sd card from my Fiio x5 to work in it and so could not try out files I am familiar with. My Fiio x5 original version is rated much higher output 460mw at 16 ohms. Maybe it is my 45 year old ears. They ain't what they used to be, but still pretty good.
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post #8535 of 9503

It contains references to the Z7 and Z1R, most most of it is off-topic here.

Quote: http://www.head-fi.org/t/810889/denon-ah-7200/720#post_13360138 

 

Comparison (Click to show)
 
Originally Posted by zolkis View Post
 

I have shortly auditioned a brand new, not yet broken in D7200, compared to my modded TH900 (Lawton pad + carbon foam insert) and modded TX00 Ebony (Dekoni pads + carbon foam insert). I took a HE1000 as reference for the midrange. Also, I listened to the Sony Z7 and Z1R vs the TH900 and TX00Eb and took the HD800 and Utopia for midrange reference.

 

Short impressions:

- good construction, beautiful wood finish. The headband is less comfortable than the Fostex one, but seems more solid.

- the TH900 is brighter than the D7200 around 7-9kHz. It has much bigger sound stage, and lower bass rumble, more relaxed sound, and it's much louder. Vocals are more forward with the D7200, but sometimes too much.

- the TX00EB is brighter than the D7200 around 9-10 kHz, has more bass, wider sound stage, more relaxed sound, but at all of this, less than the TH900.

- the TH900 is the loudest and most dynamic, than the TX00Eb is louder than the D7200 but perhaps a bit softer in dynamics.

 

So what's the deal with the D7200? It's a reference quality closed headphone, with quite linear FR. It's less fun than the TH900 and the TX00Eb, but it's more balanced, and has not been modded yet.

And I think that's where the deal is for me: IMHO the D7200 could be a class better headphone, with a better pad. I am 100% sure I can make the D7200 sound much better. Using memory foam in the pads proved to be a mistake in every single headphone I've heard. It's a disgrace to these headphones. Also, I am pretty sure this Denon would make the most out of the Lawton cups.

 

I am not sure if the Eikons are worth the extra price over the D7200, perhaps yes, but I'd say the D7200 is a very good deal. The TX00Eb is probably even better deal, but that's still a more fun headphone, whereas the D7200 is closer to the HD800 and HE1000 tonality.

 

Reasons to get the D7200:

- You have a reference quality open headphone, such as the Utopia, Stax 009 or 007, and you need closed headphones as well, but the colored sound of the TH900 bothers you too much in comparison with your references. Then get the D7200 and mod the pads (see the TH900 mods thread), or wait until Lawton comes up with cups and mods for them. In stock form, I'd prefer the TX00Eb, it's more linear than the TH900 and sounds more fun than the D7200.

 

Reasons to get the TX00Eb:

- You don't mind a good bit of fun, but not at the TH900 level, since you'd prefer a more linear headphone. Also, you want more bass than the D7200, or simply you want the best value out there. Of course, you need to get Lawton or Dekoni pads, and put carbon foam insert in them, but it's totally doable, total cost between 100-150 euros.

 

Reasons to get the TH900:

- You are an EDM guy, a basshead, or action move addict. You love it sound big and explosive, with the strongest, resonant, relaxed, clean, deep bass rumble out there (at the moment). You don't mind if it's not linear.

 

Reasons to get the Z7:

- None, get the TX00Eb instead.

 

Reasons to get the Z1R:

- You have money to burn, or you've already used the amazon.co.uk loophole and ordered from overseas with VAT off. You want more linear headphones than the TH900, more midbass than either the D7200 or TH900, nicer midrange than TH900, less treble, similar sound stage. It still sounds muddy in the bass compared to the modded TH900, but it can be modded as well. Despite the muddy bass, I'd pick the Z1R over the majority of current headphones - except my modded TH900.

 

From memory, Z1R vs D7200 would be a hard choice. I'd need to know how they would sound after mods. Nevertheless, I'd lean towards the D7200, for its midrange, better linearity, and modding potential. In stock form, if I wasn't allowed to mod them, the Z1R would likely be a safer choice. The Z1R pads are less of a disgrace than the D7200 pads.

 

So here is my plan. I am pondering on selling my TX00Eb and get a D7200 instead, then I will know how much improvements I can make for them. I will keep the TH900, and I will probably stay away from the Z1R until I can get one at a good price. But it stays on my radar.

 

The race for the most linear bio-cellulose drivers is mainly between the D7200 and the ZMF Eikon (R10 doesn't count). I am not planning to get the Eikons at the moment, eventually later, second hand. However, based on the measurements I've seen, Zach made more optimized wooden cups, and better pads than Denon. But the price is also double, and it's not closed (I want measurements on how much is it leaking) -- I definitely need closed headphones. The TH900 leaking is OK for me (listening at low to moderate volumes).

 

Edited by zolkis - 3/21/17 at 9:38am
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