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post #3136 of 3167

 Many TVs and receivers have an optical (or coax) output.  You'd have to set the output to stereo PCM as theveterans indicated.  Your TV might default to an unsupported format, but there is likely a setting in the menu somewhere.

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High quality DACs designed for stereo music reproduction aren't really intended for home theater and multi-channel setups. None of Schiits DACs support Dolby or DTS or any other multichannel format which is why debating the merits of those formats probably would work better in another thread with that topic.
Agreed.  The only reason I asked is because of all of the recent posts that seem to be referring to using their Mimby (or any external DAC) with their TV's and how much better the sound appears to be.  It just wasn't clear how they are using their DACs with TV.  I use my Schiit DACs with my headphone setups...aka 2 channel STEREO.

I've been using DACs, including the first gen Bifrost, for tv for years. Set the output of the TV/Blue-ray whatever to PCM, and it's awesome. As long as your okay with the imaging/presentation of headphones for that kind of material. Not everyone is, and I get that.

But the overall bias against using headphones for TV/Home theater is as ridiculous to me as the home theater bias against headphones.

Anyway, I should get my Mimby today. Nope- won't be on my TV rig. But I expect good things anyway. smily_headphones1.gif
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You just cant.. I tried today with netflix.. Tv to mimby with fiber. My mimby doesnt work...

Where did you connect the Mimby output to?  I believe you would need to connect your Mimby (2 channel) analog output to an external 2 channel amplifier, headphone amplifier (like a Magni 2, Jotunheim, Vali 2 etc) or powered speakers.

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I've been using DACs, including the first gen Bifrost, for tv for years. Set the output of the TV/Blue-ray whatever to PCM, and it's awesome. As long as your okay with the imaging/presentation of headphones for that kind of material. Not everyone is, and I get that.

But the overall bias against using headphones for TV/Home theater is as ridiculous to me as the home theater bias against headphones.

Anyway, I should get my Mimby today. Nope- won't be on my TV rig. But I expect good things anyway. smily_headphones1.gif

I'm going to experiment with that this weekend.

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I've been using DACs, including the first gen Bifrost, for tv for years. Set the output of the TV/Blue-ray whatever to PCM, and it's awesome. As long as your okay with the imaging/presentation of headphones for that kind of material. Not everyone is, and I get that.


But the overall bias against using headphones for TV/Home theater is as ridiculous to me as the home theater bias against headphones.


Anyway, I should get my Mimby today. Nope- won't be on my TV rig. But I expect good things anyway. smily_headphones1.gif
I'm going to experiment with that this weekend.

I don't want to hijack the thread, but in my experience the Mimby seems perfect for people wanting to branch out into other uses for headphones. Sure, you can get caught up in technical specs, and we can argue about codecs, bitrates and all that stuff some of us LOVE to argue about.

But in the end, it's all about digging our headphones. I re-watched Sense8 about 2 months ago with my headphone rig, off Netflix on my Apple TV, HDMI into my TV, optical from the TV to my Benchmark DAC/Sennheiser HD 800S cans. It was as much fun as I've ever had in audio.

Schiit makes this just so easy and inexpensive to do. Have fun with it!!!
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I don't have any bias against home theaters and I use headphones with my TV as well due to my living situation.  I was just stating that these types of DACs aren't designed for that application so they don't have the same types of connections (HDMI) and format (Dolby Digital, DTS) as a result.  I have no doubt that it improves your TV's stereo output over the DACs in many home theater receivers, but generally people talking about home theater are talking about multi-channel setups.

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@swspiers and @Jacobh you are both right.  Both the traditionalists and the experimenters can benefit from external DACs.  I for one appreciate the insight that is being shared.

post #3143 of 3167
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@swspiers
 and @Jacobh you are both right.  Both the traditionalists and the experimenters can benefit from external DACs.  I for one appreciate the insight that is being shared.

Yeah, we're not as far apart as it might appear.

But I am fascinated with the discussion. I'm pretty sure I'll be putting the Mimby up against the DAC1, which is a fairly well-regarded delta-sigma DAC, spec'd out as a broadcast standard piece of kit. A totally unfair, biased, and unscientific comparison on one hand. But a great way to glean any substantial advantage to the multi-bit approach....if any.
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Where did you connect the Mimby output to?  I believe you would need to connect your Mimby (2 channel) analog output to an external 2 channel amplifier, headphone amplifier (like a Magni 2, Jotunheim, Vali 2 etc) or powered speakers.

Its connected to an audio gd c2
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I do notice a difference when playing movie/tv thru my mimby and bimby. I don't send any dolby or other codecs thru it. I just set my bluray/dvd/tv  box/netflix to stereo 2ch pcm  or lpcm and run it thru the mimby/bimby. If i wanted surround i would just let my surround processor take care of it. I find 2ch to provide a much more realistic wall to wall of sound.

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But the overall bias against using headphones for TV/Home theater is as ridiculous to me as the home theater bias against headphones.

 

Huh? The bias against using headphones for home theatre is that you can't get home theatre on headphones! All you can get is stereo, an old, legacy TV audio format which was superseded years ago. And, you're not even getting a specifically designed stereo mix (as used to be the case) but an automated downmix to stereo generated by your Dolby chip from the 5.1 mix.

 

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Both the traditionalists and the experimenters can benefit from external DACs.

 

I'm confused about who are the "experimenters" and who the "traditionalists"? Presumably the "traditionalists" are the ones using external DACs/headphones to listen in the old, traditional TV (stereo) format?

 

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[1] I'm pretty sure I'll be putting the Mimby up against the DAC1, which is a fairly well-regarded delta-sigma DAC, spec'd out as a broadcast standard piece of kit.
[2] A totally unfair, biased, and unscientific comparison on one hand. But a great way to glean any substantial advantage to the multi-bit approach....

 

1. You're just making it up! Do you even know what broadcast standard specifications are?

2. You're on a roll now, why let "a totally unfair, biased and unscientific comparison" spoil an opportunity for some serious fanboy'ism? :gs1000smile:

 

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If i wanted surround i would just let my surround processor take care of it. I find 2ch to provide a much more realistic wall to wall of sound.

 

Your surround processor IS "taking care of it", how do you think it gets from surround to 2ch?

2ch stereo has never been a film audio format and never will be. All commercial films are made in a surround audio format and have been for 3-4 decades! It's called "home theatre" because it attempts to recreate the theatrical experience at home (not a difficult concept to grasp really!) and the theatrical experience is surround sound plus an LFE channel. Headphones simply cannot recreate this! Furthermore, in developed countries most of the TV programming is also now 5.1.

 

I get it, many of you seem to be Schiit and/or headphone fanbois and therefore obviously have a preference for headphones. That's fine of course but please, a touch of common sense rather this extremism would go a long way to stopping the vast majority of the audio world seeing audiophiles as complete nutters and allow those of us with an actual love of audio to use the term "audiophile" without embarrassment. By all means state your preference but enough of the silly claims; headphones by definition can only produce an ear to ear sound, let alone a "much more realistic wall to wall sound" and, it's not ridiculous for home theatre enthusiasts to eschew headphones and prefer the actual sound mix as it was designed. If anything is ridiculous, it's that you don't! As with all extremists though, they see themselves as "enlightened" and everyone else as ridiculous.

For this reason, I assume I'll get the predictable response when extremists are challenged/questioned (insults/abuse) and I doubt there's any point to me responding further but at least this is in the thread now, just in case there's anyone reading who's interested in rational info! Schiit gear is good and as a company they engage in less BS than some other audiophile companies but a Mimby is not designed for surround sound and downmixing a surround mix into LoRo stereo is NOT an improvement! Regardless of how good the Mimby really is, it cannot magically conjure up details which do not exist in the sound mix and although many films have excellent sound mixes, they are ALL significantly within the limitations of 16/44.1.

 

G


Edited by gregorio - 4/21/17 at 5:57am
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The one comment aside, I assumed most people who were talking about using a Mimby in a home theater setup were still talking about speakers, not headphones.

 

Personally, I think using a Mimby for home theater is a waste of money given it doesn't have the typical connections or codec support, and more importantly the source material for TV/Movies isn't generally where you would hear any meaningful difference between a half-way decent DS or multibit dac (or what's in your receiver).  If you have it in the same setup for music listening, I wouldn't consider it a waste.

 

That being saying, perception is subjective.  There are tons of real scientific studies that show external factors can alter your perception of the exact same stimulus.  If someone has the money to afford a Mimby and wants to use it for home theater, more power to them.  I have no doubt that they someone could perceive a difference using a Mimby in a home theater setup (even if they wouldn't a blind AB test).  So if they can afford it and get more listening pleasure from it, why get mad?

post #3148 of 3167
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Originally Posted by gregorio View Post
 

 

Huh? The bias against using headphones for home theatre is that you can't get home theatre on headphones! All you can get is stereo, an old, legacy TV audio format which was superseded years ago. And, you're not even getting a specifically designed stereo mix (as used to be the case) but an automated downmix to stereo generated by your Dolby chip from the 5.1 mix.

 

 

I'm confused about who are the "experimenters" and who the "traditionalists"? Presumably the "traditionalists" are the ones using external DACs/headphones to listen in the old, traditional TV (stereo) format?

 

 

1. You're just making it up! Do you even know what broadcast standard specifications are?

2. You're on a roll now, why let "a totally unfair, biased and unscientific comparison" spoil an opportunity for some serious fanboy'ism? :gs1000smile:

 

 

Your surround processor IS "taking care of it", how do you think it gets from surround to 2ch?

2ch stereo has never been a film audio format and never will be. All commercial films are made in a surround audio format and have been for 3-4 decades! It's called "home theatre" because it attempts to recreate the theatrical experience at home (not a difficult concept to grasp really!) and the theatrical experience is surround sound plus an LFE channel. Headphones simply cannot recreate this! Furthermore, in developed countries most of the TV programming is also now 5.1.

 

I get it, many of you seem to be Schiit and/or headphone fanbois and therefore obviously have a preference for headphones. That's fine of course but please, a touch of common sense rather this extremism would go a long way to stopping the vast majority of the audio world seeing audiophiles as complete nutters and allow those of us with an actual love of audio to use the term "audiophile" without embarrassment. By all means state your preference but enough of the silly claims; headphones by definition can only produce an ear to ear sound, let alone a "much more realistic wall to wall sound" and, it's not ridiculous for home theatre enthusiasts to eschew headphones and prefer the actual sound mix as it was designed. If anything is ridiculous, it's that you don't! As with all extremists though, they see themselves as "enlightened" and everyone else as ridiculous.

For this reason, I assume I'll get the predictable response when extremists are challenged/questioned (insults/abuse) and I doubt there's any point to me responding further but at least this is in the thread now, just in case there's anyone reading who's interested in rational info! Schiit gear is good and as a company they engage in less BS than some other audiophile companies but a Mimby is not designed for surround sound and downmixing a surround mix into LoRo stereo is NOT an improvement! Regardless of how good the Mimby really is, it cannot magically conjure up details which do not exist in the sound mix and although many films have excellent sound mixes, they are ALL significantly within the limitations of 16/44.1.

 

G

Just wanted to thank you for attacking a bunch of us ! It was very forward thinking to throw punches now and ask questions later. I do not use a surround processor with my 2ch audio... I do know that Schiit Dacs do not process surround formats. Please attack me now ! I do understand that you are physic and your crystal ball tells you exactly what we all have for audio equipment and settings we use. I have left some spelling, grammar and punctuation errors for you to attack me on as well.


Edited by limelake - 4/21/17 at 7:52am
post #3149 of 3167

Fanboy....Nope.

Do I have other equipment besides Schiit ? Well your crystal ball will tell you !

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Just wanted to thank you for attacking a bunch of us ! It was very forward thinking to throw punches now and ask questions later. I do not use a surround processor with my 2ch audio... I do know that Schiit Dacs do not process surround formats. Please attack me now ! I do understand that you are physic and your crystal ball tells you exactly what we all have for audio equipment and settings we use. I have left some spelling, grammar and punctuation errors for you to attack me on as well.

Lol. he is who he is and he has been blocked for a while. Gawd knows what he is trying to achieve with his posts. While I suspect he tries to sound superior, I am certain that readers are all left with a completely different impression.

I use the mimby with optical, in addition to spdif with a streamer and usb with a pc. I know it's a downmix and I am pretty sure dialog and surround suffer as a result. But I can live with it.

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