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post #7951 of 7988

Hi all, I have a quick question. Is the Elise good as a speaker amp? I have some Klipsch Promedia 2.1 but it seems like everyone here uses Elise as a pre-amp and not an amp.

 

Thanks.

post #7952 of 7988
Elise is not a speaker amp. You can use it as preamp to a pair of active speakers or into another amp.
post #7953 of 7988
Thanks @UT, I was a little confused by the terminology. By preamp I thought "extra complicatated wires" so I was intimidated about the setup but understand now.
post #7954 of 7988

Ok, time to face the sad reality: after a long listening period with the ELs it looks like I can't keep them anymore... 

 

The reason is that while all the great qualities are there (as per my earlier post, where I concede to all the other reports in this thread) my ears end up suffering from some effect akin to atmospheric pressure; an effect which was lifted immediately once I changed to either the stock combo, or the RCA 6080 and Psvane 6sn7 UK which I'm rolling with right now. This has been a constant with all the EL combos I tried, which makes me thing that it has to do with the general character of the tubes on the Elise, perhaps combined with the ruthless rendering of the HD600.

 

I wonder if anyone here has a reasonable theory to account for what I'm experiencing. Regardless, I am now willing to part with my full collection, given that having aching eardrums can never be considered as good news (plus I could use the money—just bought a pair of Mullard 6080)!

 

(extended info on the following post)

post #7955 of 7988

As I promised when I first encountered difficulties with my EL tubes, I'm letting people in this thread know about this first considering the strong interest the EL tubes enjoy here. If you guys think this should go directly to the classifieds forum I'd be happy to oblige and delete the post.

 

Here's what I have in my hands and my asking price—which is more or less what I paid myself shipping excluded, besides two occasions where the prices reflect current market value:

 

EL12

1X TFK EL12 (72mA/72mA €62.90) WG

1X TFK EL12 (73mA/72mA €63.90) WG

2X TFK EL12spez (matched pair, 38mA&37mA/36mA, €139,45) RM

2X Siemens EL12N (70mA&75mA/72mA, €92.50) FK

 

EL11

2X TFK EL11 (matched pair NOS, 39mA&38mA/36mA €85.00 - 1 broken center pin but fully functioning) WG

1X Valvo EL11 (39mA/36mA €38.90) WG

1X Valvo EL11 (–marked “sehr gut”– €25.90) PS

2X RFT EL11 (28mA/36, €36.00) RF

 

*measurements were made by the seller (mentioned respectively for each tube)—unfortunately I don't have a tester myself to confirm. Most tubes haven't been used on my Elise for more than 10-20 hours, except for the TFK EL12spez, EL12 [st], and EL11 which have around 40-50 hours on them.

** all of the tubes besides one were bought from reputable sellers. The abbreviations at the end of each listing refers to each seller as follows:

WG = Wege - HiFidelity

RM = Radioman0_14

FK = Hannaphiline (Frank Kloss)

RF = Roehrenfritze

PS = Private seller

 

If someone's willing to take everything off my hands at once, I can let go at €460 which is a 15% discount on the total sum.

 

For those who are without the necessary adapters, I also have two pairs of MsXuling's along with the price I paid for them:

2X EL12spez to 6sn7 (€36.00)

2X EL11 to 6sn7 (€30.95)

#EDIT I also have two "tower of Pisa" EL11 to 6sn7 adapters; perhaps I could throw them in on a good deal!

 

All prices are excluding shipping and PayPal fees.

May consider trades, but now that I got the Mullards there are very few tubes that interest me; such would be the A1834 breed but then not at the unobtainable rates they go for these days! Perhaps a well maintained HD650 (now going for about €200-220) might also do the trick...


Edited by angpsi - 4/21/17 at 7:29am
post #7956 of 7988

Hi.

 

I am sure you all know that Isophone is the world's best speaker, but personally, I have never heard of this German company dating back to 1929.

 

Anyhow, here is an interesting percussion recording with an 8 piece band playing, and then the speakers playing the same recording again - you decide what sounds best.

 

 

Pretty good sound though, either way......

post #7957 of 7988
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Originally Posted by mordy View Post
 

Hi.

 

I am sure you all know that Isophone is the world's best speaker, but personally, I have never heard of this German company dating back to 1929.

 

Anyhow, here is an interesting percussion recording with an 8 piece band playing, and then the speakers playing the same recording again - you decide what sounds best.

 

 

Pretty good sound though, either way......


Hah! I was watching this the other day! Btw, how would you call/google this snazzy jazzy percussion type of tune? I really want to listen to more of this!

post #7958 of 7988

Hi angpsi,

 

No idea what to call this kind of music - one comment on YouTube called it "elevator music" lol. Percussion?

 

Anyhow, back in the past, when I bought direct-to-disc records and hi fi stuff, I found this high fidelity 1986 percussion recording that supposedly was used to demo systems at shows. YouTube does not do it justice, but the bass guitar goes quite low,

and I like this piece:

 

 

It is called "It's ridiculous" (no doubt referring to the prices of the GEC 6AS7).

post #7959 of 7988

All right, for you historians out there - here is the first drum video ever made (Warren Baby Dodds on drums - the best New Orleans drummer of all time)

 

 

 

I think that this recording (audio only) is from the same occasion in 1946:

 

 

Haven't seen it on YouTube before - I have it on a Japanese pressing.

post #7960 of 7988

Interesting bit of knowledge!

Quote:
Originally Posted by jude View Post
 

 

Years ago on Head-Fi, one of the biggest debates you'd see on these forums was the debate over whether or not the HD 600/650 was veiled. Some thought it was, others (like me) felt differently. This argument would pop up in any number of discussions rather frequently (as, for years, the HD600 and HD650 were the most discussed headphones here), sometimes steering threads off-topic.

 

The discussion of it got so old and tired, that, as the old saying goes, it was like beating a dead horse.

:deadhorse:

 

You're looking at the beating of the Sennheiser veil horse. biggrin.gif

 

(I don't recall who created this emoticon, but it was many years ago.)

 

Originally found it here: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/very-important-sennheiser-hd-580-hd-600-and-hd-650#i0Ia25oaL7JeOdym.97

post #7961 of 7988

HD650 is not veiled, especially after I mod it and set it free. :bigsmile_face:  Or you can use a silver cable if you are not into modding.

 

I've grown to love my HD650 much over time. What was once originally a very tight clamp on my head when new, has now become the most comfortable headphone I've tried, aside from the HD800.

 

Sonically I love the HD650. It's just warm and relaxing and full bodied. I have no issues with the pronounced mid bass. Love it in fact. Some complain about a roll off high end but seriously this is the most non fatiguing headphone for extended long listening. Sennheiser has created an iconic headphone that has withstood the test of time and at the price it is today it's a bargain.

 

My T1 is taking a break. :o2smile:

post #7962 of 7988
Quote:
Originally Posted by mordy View Post
 

Hi angpsi,

 

No idea what to call this kind of music - one comment on YouTube called it "elevator music" lol. Percussion?

 

Anyhow, back in the past, when I bought direct-to-disc records and hi fi stuff, I found this high fidelity 1986 percussion recording that supposedly was used to demo systems at shows. YouTube does not do it justice, but the bass guitar goes quite low,

and I like this piece:

 

 

It is called "It's ridiculous" (no doubt referring to the prices of the GEC 6AS7).


​easy listening genre, tho bossa nova tends to get a bad rap for being elevator music too. SO UNTRUE.

 

This is elevator music.

post #7963 of 7988
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Originally Posted by thatonenoob View Post
 


​easy listening genre, tho bossa nova tends to get a bad rap for being elevator music too. SO UNTRUE.

 

This is elevator music.


True elevator music indeed! I'm imagining an awkward scene in a movie taking place in an elevator playing this and I'm laughing my eyes out! 😁😁

post #7964 of 7988
Quote:
Originally Posted by angpsi View Post
 

Ok, time to face the sad reality: after a long listening period with the ELs it looks like I can't keep them anymore... 

 

The reason is that while all the great qualities are there (as per my earlier post, where I concede to all the other reports in this thread) my ears end up suffering from some effect akin to atmospheric pressure; an effect which was lifted immediately once I changed to either the stock combo, or the RCA 6080 and Psvane 6sn7 UK which I'm rolling with right now. This has been a constant with all the EL combos I tried, which makes me thing that it has to do with the general character of the tubes on the Elise, perhaps combined with the ruthless rendering of the HD600.

 

I wonder if anyone here has a reasonable theory to account for what I'm experiencing. Regardless, I am now willing to part with my full collection, given that having aching eardrums can never be considered as good news (plus I could use the money—just bought a pair of Mullard 6080)!

 

(extended info on the following post)

 

Hi angpsi.

 

That really is sad news, and I must admit I haven't really much of a (definite) clue as to why you're having such problems with these tubes...possible "oscillation" within them due to something in your environment? (although it's highly unlikely that they would ALL be suffering from this phenomenon!). Frequencies that your own hearing simply can't tolerate? Whatever, it seems rather (unfortunately) weird to me lol!! :(...and a real shame...I personally haven't experienced this with any of the (multiple) EL3N/EL11/EL12/12 Spezials in my own setup.

 

And it's an equal shame that I have already acquired enough 12 Spezs to last me, or else I would definitely have snatched them off you!! I do hope that you manage to recoup a good bit of your expenditure on them - ebay may well be the eventual saviour lol! ;)...Best, CJ

post #7965 of 7988
Quote:
Originally Posted by angpsi View Post
 

just bought a pair of Mullard 6080

 

 

Which Mullard 6080 did you end up buying?

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