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Originally Posted by mordy View Post
 

Running a pair of TFK EL11 with a pair of Valvo EL12. The imbalance is less today. Found a brilliant solution - instead of moving my listening chair (it is a high back office chair with wheels) I moved my balance control slightly to the right.

 

Here is my problem: I cannot decide what I like better - TFK EL11 with EL12N or with Valvo EL12.

 

Strawberry or cherry vanilla?

 

 

Can somebody tell me how to post a short video using my iPhone with sound to show how the hum magically disappears by pinching the aluminum foil tightly around the tube and extending a piece to touch the chassis?

 

I made the video but a screen pops up that I have to set the associations and I am not familiar with this.

Hi mordy

 

I just re-read your post. Are you using Elise as a pre-amp to another amplifier and external speakers?  Apologies if you have already told us this.

 

If so, it would be interesting to know if the same imbalance/distortion occurs when listening with headphones.

post #6557 of 6796

Hi Howie13,

 

You made my day - now I don't feel that I am the only one who is stuck with 28 years of cable accumulations. Warning! This snake pit picture (and there are more snake pits in my room) is not for the faint of heart!

 

post #6558 of 6796
Thread Starter 

Some snakes can handle water ok, but all cables should be kept dry.

 

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Hi Howie13,

 

I use Elise as a preamp into the equalizer loop of a 110W ss 80's Sony integrated amp playing through speakers - almost never through headphones.

 

In any case, when I finally got rid of the hum with the foil I also plugged in my headphones. The hum through the headphone jack made them unlistenable so I cannot comment on any imbalance.

 

With different tube combinations I do not have any problems with the headphones.

 

I managed to download this link to a 6 second video that can be opened with Quicktime. It shows how the hum disappears by moving the foil around the tube and touching the chassis. (I have no idea why the link is so long).

 

https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=c3baab0839&view=att&th=15a4ce1d2a5bf6a7&attid=0.1&disp=safe&zw&saddbat=ANGjdJ-i-sS8IhVC_xAjwfb967t2Q-ivXpr1R-0PXzcke1c32YP1le0Ab7mKy-2D39Iu7wxBNsJxNeLSGfYTb1oNZjWoaujHgw_gv2VHHkPjZIX04iZ1FrWUqWmPJQixKjW-YD3m9oJUQmUtrmP7SynCQe4dxy5sYpygoqSz1Rj-RU7AAtsw_zveEMlKwsWffceD3I-Ag-qVOLmLJfZ0pe7h3ZNtuGtvleCAPq8TTF5NtHsDewqFQ82sgJP-4RyQvqv1Uk2XCYUDyI6edxLxTpDNyjytFong0Re2DcGEyul1NQrdMxfY07nNhalQl7YJhY99NYvzOM7uquaI4qGP2FkzfDKAczkwwt2MDYBVbYrcHciswur2zd8b1ove5SZYVNLaooRTmFX4DPisUIxce7jR6GvKgBREqaVS1N12MRmbAYZ8zbtVxjY-swQfojVpxkaUYXgnJDuYFZaM5XnSHQisjG45nQ71Q0FVVoHCILB7xXN_-Yt2OBlzyhXZIUa87610eHRotE7_wvPJFYI-FGUmZARdyURVR9rwR8gwUUtenx2lhd36wWfvF05aNIt_-sEQnZfmrDAaKKyJ5lhyTJT_D3l6djdLygb0qwt50UARVRqCO6jsqNBzvC-M6fxJnViO2i7-lQefNv1AhYR_PNzkj902No7yN8WugrkJ3w

 

If I click on this huge link, it brings me to a download window. Clicking on the download opens up Quicktime. I have to minimize the picture to see the player controls at the bottom. Clicking on play starts the video with the hum magically disappearing.


Edited by mordy - 2/17/17 at 11:25am
post #6560 of 6796
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Originally Posted by mordy View Post
 

Hi Howie13,

 

You made my day - now I don't feel that I am the only one who is stuck with 28 years of cable accumulations. Warning! This snake pit picture (and there are more snake pits in my room) is not for the faint of heart!

 

 

HAHAHA I showed the wife your picture and told her I wasn't alone!

 

She said we should be more worried about getting electrocuted or tripping up on the wires and breaking our legs than worrying about a bit of hum!

 

Here's mine:

 

 

 

 

I think you win.:D

post #6561 of 6796
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Originally Posted by mordy View Post
 

Hi Howie13,

 

I use Elise as a preamp into the equalizer loop of a 110W ss 80's Sony integrated amp playing through speakers - almost never through headphones.

 

In any case, when I finally got rid of the hum with the foil I also plugged in my headphones. The hum through the headphone jack made them unlistenable so I cannot comment on any imbalance.

 

With different tube combinations I do not have any problems with the headphones.

 

I managed to download this link to a 6 second video that can be opened with Quicktime. It shows how the hum disappears by moving the foil around the tube and touching the chassis. (I have no idea why the link is so long).

 

https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=c3baab0839&view=att&th=15a4ce1d2a5bf6a7&attid=0.1&disp=safe&zw&saddbat=ANGjdJ-i-sS8IhVC_xAjwfb967t2Q-ivXpr1R-0PXzcke1c32YP1le0Ab7mKy-2D39Iu7wxBNsJxNeLSGfYTb1oNZjWoaujHgw_gv2VHHkPjZIX04iZ1FrWUqWmPJQixKjW-YD3m9oJUQmUtrmP7SynCQe4dxy5sYpygoqSz1Rj-RU7AAtsw_zveEMlKwsWffceD3I-Ag-qVOLmLJfZ0pe7h3ZNtuGtvleCAPq8TTF5NtHsDewqFQ82sgJP-4RyQvqv1Uk2XCYUDyI6edxLxTpDNyjytFong0Re2DcGEyul1NQrdMxfY07nNhalQl7YJhY99NYvzOM7uquaI4qGP2FkzfDKAczkwwt2MDYBVbYrcHciswur2zd8b1ove5SZYVNLaooRTmFX4DPisUIxce7jR6GvKgBREqaVS1N12MRmbAYZ8zbtVxjY-swQfojVpxkaUYXgnJDuYFZaM5XnSHQisjG45nQ71Q0FVVoHCILB7xXN_-Yt2OBlzyhXZIUa87610eHRotE7_wvPJFYI-FGUmZARdyURVR9rwR8gwUUtenx2lhd36wWfvF05aNIt_-sEQnZfmrDAaKKyJ5lhyTJT_D3l6djdLygb0qwt50UARVRqCO6jsqNBzvC-M6fxJnViO2i7-lQefNv1AhYR_PNzkj902No7yN8WugrkJ3w

 

If I click on this huge link, it brings me to a download window. Clicking on the download opens up Quicktime. I have to minimize the picture to see the player controls at the bottom. Clicking on play starts the video with the hum magically disappearing.

Thanks mordy. I will have to see if I have Quicktime- glad you have sorted the hum. That link must be the world's longest ever.:) 


Edited by HOWIE13 - 2/17/17 at 11:28am
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Hi pct,

 

This was my inspiration:

 

https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/5730dd2952bcd01b008c1ddc-960-720/but-space-is-limited-thousands-of-snakes-end-up-in-dens-as-large-as-an-average-living-room.jpg

post #6563 of 6796

What's going on here!!!!

 

Image result for picture Canadian snake pit

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Hi Howie,

 

You win! At least you can count your wires - I can't.

 

My wife wouldn't step near my stuff - restricted access. Besides, my room is so messy that I cannot show it to anybody.

 

The truth is that it is not messy. I know that at 2 o'clock on my desk about one inch down is the item I am looking for. Tried a few times to clean up everything, but then I couldn't find anything anymore, so I gave up....

 

The other day I dropped an orange AAA rechargeable battery into the snake pit, and I was unable to find it. Must be that a snake ate it......

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Hi guys...simply can't keep up with the pace here lately, so apologies to, and a warm WELCOME to, new Elise owners (which doesn't include me any more of course, alas!! :o:wink_face:).

 

Bad hum from stock?...VERY strange...all amps are tested before shipping to ensure everything is OK. Individual setups and environments do indeed seem to bring gremlins sometimes...I do hope such causes of interference are easily, and quickly traced and remedied...

 

@mordy...AFAIK the 'new' Elise doesn't actually have increased power handling, and even my Euforia still has the same spec trafo, except the actual power output is 10 to 20% greater, according to F-A...(don't yet know if Euforia's new upgraded trafo is in fact any beefier lol!). And strange things sure do seem to be going on in your setup with various EL11 + EL12 combos...perhaps your snakes have a worse bite than you realise LOL!! :eek:;)...

 

But actually, it does look as though individual setup/environment factors can indeed sometimes cause havoc with final results when trying these EL tubes, and therefore all we can really say for sure is that folks who wish to give them a try must realise that no guarantees can be given as to just how they might perform, given their own individual circumstances. Some will obviously be luckier than others lol! :wink_face:...and for the lucky ones, the rewards are most certainly wonderful!!! :biggrin:...

post #6566 of 6796
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Originally Posted by pctazhp View Post
 

The only way you can receive absolution from your sacrilege on this thread is to send me money. How much you choose to send will determine how long you will have to wait in purgatory on your way to heaven. I realize for you that is many decades down the road. But please keep in mind that in purgatory you will be exposed 24/7 to a special version of this thread on which you will see only posts from me and @connieflyer..

My last TFK spree left me broke. I will wait in purgatory until my Elise changes character or my ears start succumbing to peer pressure! 😇😝😇

In regard to my path to absolution (24/7 comments thread), may god (which I guess in our case would be @hypnos1) have mercy on my soul!

post #6567 of 6796
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Originally Posted by pctazhp View Post
 


Hello Joe. First, congratulations on your new acquisition and welcome to our thread. Elise has the capacity to give you many years of special listening enjoyment.

 

Second, there are others who will come along who are far more qualified to give you help than I am. But I will try to get started.

 

It is virtually impossible to synthesize the vast number of posts and tube combinations people have tried since Elise first came on market. In order to provide us with a starting point, it would help to know what headphones of those you have that you favor. Unfortunately, I'm not sure many here have one of your headphones, but still that is important to know. Most important would be for you to tell us what tube combination you have that you prefer currently on Elise. What do you like about that combination, what don't you like and what are you hoping to improve.

 

Thanks PCT,

 

With regards to my setup, the amp is actually still en route - won't be here until Tuesday. I know that I shouldn't really ask for advice regarding tube-rolling until I have the amp, but it's shipping with mostly stock tubes, and I've done quite a bit of reading. Seems like the stock sound is a little tilted towards upper mids and treble. I've got Grado PS1000s and ZMF Ori's, both of which have very different power demands. The Ori needs more juice while the PS1000 needs iron-fisted control. In general, I like a mostly neutral sound with a hint of warmth. The PS' treble can get out of control quickly, while the Ori synergizes better with slightly brighter sources.

 

Hopefully that helps!

 

Thanks,
Joe

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I will put in a good word for you
post #6569 of 6796
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Originally Posted by angpsi View Post
 

My last TFK spree left me broke. I will wait in purgatory until my Elise changes character or my ears start succumbing to peer pressure! 😇😝😇

In regard to my path to absolution (24/7 comments thread), may god (which I guess in our case would be @hypnos1) have mercy on my soul!

 

On hindsight, if I knew your experience with EL tubes would be less than stellar, I'd ask you to go with these tubes instead.

 

Sylvania 6sn7gtb chrome top and Tung Sol 5998. For those wanting to stay with 6sn7 and 6as7, this is a great combination.

 

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Originally Posted by UntilThen View Post

On hindsight, if I knew your experience with EL tubes would be less than stellar, I'd ask you to go with these tubes instead.

Sylvania 6sn7gtb chrome top and Tung Sol 5998. For those wanting to stay with 6sn7 and 6as7, this is a great combination.


Hi UT, that's largely compatible with Lukasz's suggestion. Hopefully I'll have an opportunity to hear these without having to pay for them first! I'm also gradually growing a curiosity about the Melz; in some cases they appear closer to fetisch, e.g. having to decipher blue vs. grey markings etc. As I said though, maybe it's the HD600 that make the EL sound so commanding for my taste. Today I spent the whole day on the stock plus Psvane combo and I felt almost mesmerized with the effortless rendition they were offering me on my hi-res collection / Audirvana... What can I say, perhaps I should spend the rest of my days in @pctazhp's purgatory; should be fun to report my impressions from there!
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