LZ-A4 Impressions and Discussion Thread
Feb 22, 2017 at 4:24 PM Post #2,821 of 5,225
yeah, hence why my comments aren't really loaded because I know someone out there is more likely to perhaps get more mileage. We all have tolerances re:treble. Like @SeeSax, I've been getting great results with Red Nozzle/Black Back -- the highs are just right. bass gets good mileage too and the the stage is nice and wide!

 


Oh yes, absolutely I agree some out there will have more treble tolerance than me. It's just that when I listen to the blue something seems...off....to me about the sound. Maybe it is a timbre issue? Maybe my ears...
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 4:25 PM Post #2,822 of 5,225
yeah, hence why my comments aren't really loaded because I know someone out there is more likely to perhaps get more mileage. We all have tolerances re:treble. Like @SeeSax, I've been getting great results with Red Nozzle/Black Back -- the highs are just right. bass gets good mileage too and the the stage is nice and wide!

 


Oh yes, absolutely I agree some out there will have more treble tolerance than me. It's just that when I listen to the blue something seems...off....to me about the sound. Maybe it is a timbre issue? Maybe my ears...


darn...it sucks to have dismissive ears... :wink:
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 4:28 PM Post #2,823 of 5,225
darn...it sucks to have dismissive ears...
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Not sure I follow:)
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 5:19 PM Post #2,826 of 5,225
He was joking. Your ears hear too good and maybe found a discrepancy that's just not right for you.
It was the wonder of being an audiophile and the differences we each have:grin:


on the contrary nealh. as a compliment, bavinck does have a specific taste. there's plenty of audiophiles within and without the A4 thread. you just have to understand where he stands that's why I question the loaded comments. I meant there's like so many other nozzles available, if one can't deal with the blue fronts...why not try the black ones? simple right?
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM Post #2,827 of 5,225
on the contrary nealh. as a compliment, bavinck does have a specific taste. there's plenty of audiophiles within and without the A4 thread. you just have to understand where he stands that's why I question the loaded comments. I meant there's like so many other nozzles available, if one can't deal with the blue fronts...why not try the black ones? simple right?

Ok good point. Sorry to put words in "your mouth"
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 5:25 PM Post #2,828 of 5,225
on the contrary @nealh. as a compliment, bavinck does have a specific taste. there's plenty of audiophiles within and without the A4 thread. you just have to understand where he stands that's why I question the loaded comments. I meant there's like so many other nozzles available, if one can't deal with the blue fronts...why not try the black ones? simple right?

It more of a comment to see if others found the same. I don't hear any timbre issues with the black (that I usually use), but I am trying to put my finger on what is off about the blue to me. This is how we learn what we are hearing, what we like and how to describe it. We talk with each other and hopefully someone pipes up and provides a helpful comment. Just because we have lots of filter choices doesn't mean we ignore trying to understand the others, wouldn't you agree?
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 5:28 PM Post #2,829 of 5,225
It would be awesome if we started getting some graphs of the filter combos....anyone working on it?
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 7:10 PM Post #2,830 of 5,225
It would be awesome if we started getting some graphs of the filter combos....anyone working on it?


Funny u ask that, cuz @Brooko is doing a review on them, which means they will be supplied.
 
And to elaborate on your discontent for the front blue...  It is most likely the interval of the treble frequency that is accentuated/emphasized in that setup that may cause the disliking of it...
 
You'll notice that the varying front filters, emphasize/accentuate at progressing intervals along the sound signature, sometimes having a diminishing effect on the soundstage.  
 
In my experience the BLACKf and BLUEf have the largest soundstage while the PINK and GRAY have the smallest.  GREENf and REDf are in between.
 
REDf and GRAYf work more on to emphasize the mids.
 
The GREENf works more on the upper mids, maybe lower treble.
 
The BLUEf works more on the treble.
 
And the BLACK seems to have the most tamed emphasizing along the spectrum, with maybe a tinge on the treble, though is not as perceptible to me and may just be a result of less emphasis elsewhere rather than more emphasis on the treble.  
 
I tell you it is tricky to figure these things out beyond "liking" and "disliking"...  I still dislike the PINK lolol,  sorry to have  no love for the PINK, though I'm sure it is nice for some.
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 7:23 PM Post #2,831 of 5,225
Indigo Bob I think there's a lone ranger that does vouch for pink provided his bright source. So yeah, I'm always up for elaborate sharing of experiences. Thus, misleading statements can be avoided. I haven't really appreciated the blue front nozzles though some vet reviewers did vouch their liking of using blue fronts and red backs. I personally like red back with black nozzles - mids are definitely not recessed. I bought the A4 hoping to get a good presentation in mids. there's plenty of configurable setups that certainly deliver.
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM Post #2,832 of 5,225
also re: soundstage, you get a differing results in terms of layering, vocal emphasis, background/ambient emphasis depending on preferred choice of filters.

provided a different way of appreciating the A4... I honestly think it's beautifully designed because of the filters and their implementation/results. I'm definitely looking forward to future releases for sure! Even Forrest Wei of Flc fame bought one out of curiosity...
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 7:47 PM Post #2,833 of 5,225
wow. I agree with @nealh, that's one bold statement. man, everyone and their grandma's cat seem to be tuning into balanced nowadays. You guys are awful lol.

Usually you can get more efficient power going balanced, amongst other benefits. MMCX cables and IEMs make it easy to run balanced in some form.
 
The Fiio isn't actually better than the Infinity, but it sounds so good you have to really pay attention to differences. The Infinity is way more powerful and a bit more detailed, but Fiio did a great job.
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 8:48 PM Post #2,834 of 5,225
also re: soundstage, you get a differing results in terms of layering, vocal emphasis, background/ambient emphasis depending on preferred choice of filters.

provided a different way of appreciating the A4... I honestly think it's beautifully designed because of the filters and their implementation/results. I'm definitely looking forward to future releases for sure! Even Forrest Wei of Flc fame bought one out of curiosity...


I agree...  I must state I have a bit of a treble sensitivity, but that's why the LZ A4 is so agreeable...  It can offer something for me with the black front, while offering substantial upper frequencies with filters especially like the BLUEf and GREEN and all the rest to some degree....  
 
You may not like all the tuning, but it's set up to hone in on something you will definitely prefer, which is what makes these so great for me at least and others from what I read.  
 
I think the BLUE front filter is wonderful, but I simply am sensitive to those frequencies so it becomes a little hot for me after a while.
 
Feb 22, 2017 at 9:09 PM Post #2,835 of 5,225
I agree...  I must state I have a bit of a treble sensitivity, but that's why the LZ A4 is so agreeable...  It can offer something for me with the black front, while offering substantial upper frequencies with filters especially like the BLUEf and GREEN and all the rest to some degree....  

You may not like all the tuning, but it's set up to hone in on something you will definitely prefer, which is what makes these so great for me at least and others from what I read.  

I think the BLUE front filter is wonderful, but I simply am sensitive to those frequencies so it becomes a little hot for me after a while.

My preferred combo has been Black/Black

My setup- spiral dot ML and L tips. The A4 is hooked up to my E17K(gain/bass/treble on 0).

I decided to give Black/b and Blue/f a trial again. I listened to this combo for just a short time when I first got them.

The Blue front does seem to open up the soundstage a fair amount. However, I'm treble sensitive and the higher end is definitely brighter than the black front. Listening to the Black/Blue, I am enjoying the open and wider soundstage but I almost feel overwhelmed. Not sure if I just need to let my ears adapt some.

I have to say I wish the soundstage with black/blue could be transferred to black/black with the tamer high frequencies but I guess the more open higher frequencies is what helps the soundstage open up becoming more spacious and engulfing.

I will try and see if I can tolerate Black/Blue for a bit to see if my brain just needs some time to adjust since the soundstage is addicting.
 

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