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post #31 of 44
Yeah I should get that changed to "I'm a Sony man!"
post #32 of 44
and how much does it cost for those good Sony headphones? Aren't they really expensive?


IMO sony will always suck because of all the times I was tricked into buying their stuff since EVERYONE and their grandmother knows that Sony is the best. I'll always look elsewhere before I buy from Sony.
post #33 of 44
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and how much does it cost for those good Sony headphones? Aren't they really expensive?
Nah. they only cost a mere $4,000.00
post #34 of 44
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and how much does it cost for those good Sony headphones? Aren't they really expensive?
I don't think so. My Sony MDR-V6s were only $79.95USD brand spanking new, and in my opinion they're pretty damn good.
post #35 of 44
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and how much does it cost for those good Sony headphones? Aren't they really expensive?
For the top-of-the-line, yes. $4000 (WAY too much, IMO -- no way they're $3800 better than the HD600, or $3300 better than the RS1, or $3700 better than the ER4S ). But Vert feels they're the best on earth, so they obviously don't "suck."

On the other hand, the CD1700 were under $200, the V6 are <$100. Both very good headphones, and very price-competitive with other good cans.

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IMO sony will always suck because of all the times I was tricked into buying their stuff
Well, that seems like more your fault than Sony's

j/k!
post #36 of 44
I do understand quite a bit of where Sirwars coming from.

If say I disregarded every Grado headphone from my list of cans I'd buy as a higher end open home headphone, what other options would I have that are best suited for the rock/electronic/pop category OTHER then Grado?

In that way, doesn't grado have a monopoly of sorts?

(and this is actually the situation I'm in now... so any answer to this is good).

[edit: Also, all things considerd, I'd say te V6s are arguably the best all purpose headphone under 100 bucks. They're both built extremely well for both home and portable purposes (unlike grados imo), they do not need an amp like the senns, the bass is probably one of the greatests of ANY headphone, and the rest of the sound is pretty much comparable as being halfway between the sr-60s and 80s. So, despite all the ******** Sony puts out, the V6s certianly DO NOT suck.]
post #37 of 44
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Originally posted by MacDEF

Well, that seems like more your fault than Sony's
Is it, MacDEF, is it?
post #38 of 44
i know a couple of us have heard the sony coconuts and didn't like them.
post #39 of 44
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Is it, MacDEF, is it?
You did see the smiley and the "j/k!" right?
post #40 of 44
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i know a couple of us have heard the sony coconuts and didn't like them.
I think those couple of you didn't hear them in a good environment, with a good amp. Maybe those couple of you didn't like the R10's sound characteristics, but there's still no doubting the R10s can present sound in a better way none of the other dynamic headphones can.

I've owned the R10s for 6 months now, so I can definitely testify to how great they sound. I absolutely love 'em.
post #41 of 44
Sirwar:

I understand your feeling about Sony. They built their reputation for quality systems and for a 10 year period the majority of their stuff was utter garbage...but that was OK because most of the stuff coming out of Japan was utter Garbage.
Sony, from the late 80s to late 90s were virtually no-where in the high end spectrum...the ES line was laughed at in the same way Pioneer Elite was(and other than the odd piece) still is.

Sony, however, continued to sell high quality CD transports to some upper mid fi and entry level high end companies like Arcam etc.

Sony still makes lousy product....enter any and every single amplification device in the last 15 years....All of them can be beat by an amp at 1/5, 1/10 the price. Again though, one could say the same with all of those mass produced receivers, Not just Sony.

Yes their $250.00 Cd player is not very good...but neither is a Pioneer, Kenwood, Technics, or JVC. Of course the problem is that Sony prices their crap at the same level of Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer Elite and Marantz...all of whom make better REGULAR LINE products for the same money(Marantz and 1 model from Denon are even worth considering IMO).

In the last couple years Sony has been paying a bit more attention to the High end crowd...by offering Some very top flight SACD players the SCD 1 and 777ES...along with those 4k headphones. They still can't build amps.

The biggest problem I have always had with Sony is that they CAN build the best stuff in the world(or arguably so) but they only do when they absolutely have to. The Vega is a great TV, and it's pricier than their regular Trinitron...That's fine cause you are getting something for your money...the regular 27' Trinitron is the same price as a couple of offering by Toshiba and JVC...they are all the same price and Sony is so much worse that only the moron Sony followers would get one...the technologies patent ran out...no-one copied it...why? it's grossly obsolete.

I dislike companies that build great top end products and offer the rest of society inferior garbage at ridiculously inflated prices(oddly, headphones don't apply).

Not all companies do things like that(The Nautilus loudspeaker is one of the handful best loudspeakers in the world at that 15KCDN pricepoint...but so are the $225.00 DM302s at that price point).

Whatever Sony puts out...if you wait a few months for the competion...you will ALWAYS get something FAR better for equal or less money. There are so many top flight companies that care about ALL the products they sell...Sony Cares only about gaining a reputation...once they do that they can pawn off all their lousy products and people will think they are getting something High Quality. I see right through Sony...it's good for business...but, lousy for those that can't afford the the very best of their line.
post #42 of 44
StreetStyles. I think those sum up Sony's products pretty well.

But they have been good with TVs and monitors these days. Now if only they could get rid of those two ****ing lines in trinitron screens.
post #43 of 44
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I think those couple of you didn't hear them in a good environment, with a good amp. Maybe those couple of you didn't like the R10's sound characteristics, but there's still no doubting the R10s can present sound in a better way none of the other dynamic headphones can.
Isn't that overstating it a bit, vert? You're basically saying that they are objectively the best dynamic headphones on the market. Is there a chance that some people, given a good environment with a good amp, might disagree?

Wanna send me yours for a couple weeks so I can try them?
post #44 of 44
Well MacDEF, I dunno. The fact that there's hardly any R10s being sold used should say something about what people think about them back at home. And oh people DO buy them regardless of price, that's for sure...Sony sells about a 100 a year, 1998 models had serial #s of I believe around 1000. They gotta be going somewhere, otherwise for what it costs to make, Sony would've discontinued making the R10s long ago.

Given their price nonetheless, I would admit it'd be a little ridiculous for me to say they're the best dynamic headphones there are or whatever. If I say that, it'd be considered a given to most because of their price.

So go stare at my sig instead.
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