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post #211 of 618
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Originally Posted by catoval55 View Post

right you are joshauchew. thanks for correcting me. biggrin.gif  
So the difference in memory is not that much. (At least to me)
post #212 of 618

to any AK320 owner or AK380, i am experiencing a bit of a trouble playing my HDTRACKS.COM  24/192 album that i bought and ripped to my AK320. first time i installed it all the songs played beautifully. now i update my system from the factory defaulted firmware from  1.02 to 1.04(not certain of #) now no play of these hdtracks.com  songs. also some alac album art does NOT show once ripped to the AK320. AK320 pre-installed HI-RES songs  like rebecca pidgeon the raven & others DOES NOT PLAY at all. any help please would be greatly appreciated.


Edited by catoval55 - 2/11/16 at 11:04am
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I just got the 320 also. I just wondered as I have seen a number of people pairing this or the 380 with an external DAC like the Chord. What is the thinking here? Is the AK then not just acting only as a USB stick of sorts? Is it not merely passing a digital file across to the Chord? Or am i missing something?

post #214 of 618
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Originally Posted by singboo1000 View Post
 


I just got the 320 also. I just wondered as I have seen a number of people pairing this or the 380 with an external DAC like the Chord. What is the thinking here? Is the AK then not just acting only as a USB stick of sorts? Is it not merely passing a digital file across to the Chord? Or am i missing something?

man i totally agree with you, it is just passing signal to chord which a 100 usd dap can do as well. Some my freind like to spend money so let them enjoy it. I learned one thing let everyone do whatever they want to do

 

for me paying over 1000 usd to be used a source for another dac/amp will never happen, but some would even pay 5000 usd 

 

my advise stay away from such posts

post #215 of 618
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Originally Posted by singboo1000 View Post
 


I just got the 320 also. I just wondered as I have seen a number of people pairing this or the 380 with an external DAC like the Chord. What is the thinking here? Is the AK then not just acting only as a USB stick of sorts? Is it not merely passing a digital file across to the Chord? Or am i missing something?

I've seen people do the same, but there is something more behind that. A good transport, or USB stick as you called it, can also improve the sound quality by a lot. For example, take PS Audio's Perfect Wave Transport/Memory Player, it's a CD player with only digital outputs. but the sound it produces is beyond any standard CD player. it does things a little different though, it extracts all informations from the CD and saves them temporarely on its internal memory and then passing it to the external DAC via digital output. but for 4k$ I can expect this thing to sound better than a 50$ one. ;)

post #216 of 618
Hi folks,

Has anyone compared AK320 vs LPG and what's the difference mainly in SQ?

Thanks
post #217 of 618
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Originally Posted by WayneWoondirts View Post
 

I've seen people do the same, but there is something more behind that. A good transport, or USB stick as you called it, can also improve the sound quality by a lot. For example, take PS Audio's Perfect Wave Transport/Memory Player, it's a CD player with only digital outputs. but the sound it produces is beyond any standard CD player. it does things a little different though, it extracts all informations from the CD and saves them temporarely on its internal memory and then passing it to the external DAC via digital output. but for 4k$ I can expect this thing to sound better than a 50$ one. ;)

that is just too much, and i own the ak380 and chord mojo, and honestly i do not find connecting my ak380 with mojo using synconcept cable to be better than when i connect the mojo to my cheap note 3. 

 

There you have it, hype hype hype and more hype 

 

what a waste of money to use a dap that costs 3500 usd to be used as a source while any decent android phone can do the job

post #218 of 618
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Originally Posted by hykhleif View Post

that is just too much, and i own the ak380 and chord mojo, and honestly i do not find connecting my ak380 with mojo using synconcept cable to be better than when i connect the mojo to my cheap note 3. 

There you have it, hype hype hype and more hype 

what a waste of money to use a dap that costs 3500 usd to be used as a source while any decent android phone can do the job
Agreed. I thought connecting a source to a dac is just the same as passing a digital file to the dac. Source doesn't matter in this case as there is no analogue stage between or conversion?
post #219 of 618

Even though this is an AK320 thread, let's set that aside for a moment and talk about digital sources.

 

Stated bluntly, "the source" in this argument is not the same as "a memory stick." Not even close.

 

The content of the music file is not being sent to the DAC, a timed, rendered signal is being sent.

 

In fact, the pre-DAC signal chain consists of at least five steps:

 

  • data read from persistent memory
  • rendered by "music player" software
  • clocked
  • sent through an electrical or optical transmitter; and
  • carried by a cable or optical conduit.

 

All of these steps are done in an electrically noisy environment. (That SPDIF signal is subject to the laws of physics, and non-quantum physical processes are analog in nature.)

 

While folks may disagree as to the degree to which this processing may or may not degrade sound quality, much more is in play than just reading data (the first step).

 

Disclosure: For critical listening using high-end equipment, I happen to believe that each of the steps matters to SQ. For more discussion on the effects of a poorly-rendered digital signal, look up "jitter" (the most common type of artifact).


Edited by teros1 - 2/8/16 at 1:46am
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Edited by singboo1000 - 2/8/16 at 2:21am
post #221 of 618

 

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Originally Posted by teros1 View Post
 

Even though this is an AK320 thread, let's set that aside for a moment and talk about digital sources.

 

Stated bluntly, "the source" in this argument is not the same as "a memory stick." Not even close.

 

The content of the music file is not being sent to the DAC, a timed, rendered signal is being sent.

 

In fact, the pre-DAC signal chain consists of at least five steps:

 

  • data read from persistent memory
  • rendered by "music player" software
  • clocked
  • sent through an electrical or optical transmitter; and
  • carried by a cable or optical conduit.

 

All of these steps are done in an electrically noisy environment. (That SPDIF signal is subject to the laws of physics, and non-quantum physical processes are analog in nature.)

 

While folks may disagree as to the degree to which this processing may or may not degrade sound quality, much more is in play than just reading data (the first step).

 

Disclosure: For critical listening using high-end equipment, I happen to believe that each of the steps matters to SQ. For more discussion on the effects of a poorly-rendered digital signal, look up "jitter" (the most common type of artifact).

That's great insight thanks - and here to learn. Does that mean there is no digital error correction in the verification of that streamed data pre-DAC? I was just under the apparent misapprehension that the staging prior to DAC was in effect not subject to corruption as the process is in the error-corrected digital domain - hence the memory stick analogy. Happy to stand corrected and it is interesting that the pre-DAC stage could be reliant upon the device quality and materially impact the SQ at end stage.

 
post #222 of 618
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Originally Posted by singboo1000 View Post
 

That's great insight thanks - and here to learn. Does that mean there is no digital error correction in the verification of that streamed data pre-DAC? I was just under the apparent misapprehension that the staging prior to DAC was in effect not subject to corruption as the process is in the error-corrected digital domain - hence the memory stick analogy. Happy to stand corrected and it is interesting that the pre-DAC stage could be reliant upon the device quality and materially impact the SQ at end stage.

 

Good question. Many forms of "error correction" (e.g., re-clocking) are touted by DAC vendors. Most of them are little more than reference designs from the chip manufacturers. But I've found no DAC <$10K that was transparent to the source -- including my reference MSB Analog DAC and the Berkeley Audio DAC that preceded it.

 

But please note that I am not advocating that an AK380 is needed to provide a great signal to a Mojo or other DAC.

 

I'm just saying that IME the quality of both the source and the connection usually impact SQ during critical listening.


Edited by teros1 - 2/8/16 at 2:58am
post #223 of 618
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Originally Posted by alvinmate View Post

Hi folks,

Has anyone compared AK320 vs LPG and what's the difference mainly in SQ?

Thanks


I compared the AK320 with with the LPG and almost every other DAP I could lay my hands on in the past couple of weeks before buying. I'm new to DAPs in particular having previously only had higher end HiFi. Apartment dwelling with teenage kids has led me to look at being able to enjoy my music through headphones.

 

With the LPG specifically I found the sound quality to be quite impressive. Though at the same time somewhat clinical and tight and not as punchy in the lower ranges. I think also the headphone pairing is pretty critical here. I tried it with the t5p, Oppo PM-3. The AK320 for me was a clear improvement in staging and dare I say musicality. There was a huge difference to me in the separation and the AK whilst creating a lot of detail remained warmer and more refined with the reference songs i used. Additionally the PAW interface and usability was not right for me either. Well constructed though. 

post #224 of 618

well maybe in theory yes and on paper yes and in reality yes, but to my ears i hear no difference at all 

 

things that have real impact on sound quality are

 

1- ear tips

2- ear pads

3- damping drivers

4-and maybe cables 

 

other than that nothing is audible to my ears, and I really thing what has been talked about is really something a listener would not perceive and would fail flat in blind tests

 

and i tried it with my freind and the results assured my finding above 


Edited by Sound Eq - 2/8/16 at 2:36am
post #225 of 618
Singpoo thanks for your insight and your feedback on the players as I'm also considering to upgrade...

I'm.also leaning towards AK320 have to audition however no access to LPG...
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