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post #2926 of 13222
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Originally Posted by UntilThen View Post
 


I'm using HE560 and HD650. I've posted some impressions of those headphones used with Elise and selected tubes.

 

HE560 and Elise impressions - post #1041

http://www.head-fi.org/t/782754/feliks-audio-elise-new-thread/1035#post_12038786

 

HD650 with Elise impressions - post#1352

http://www.head-fi.org/t/782754/feliks-audio-elise-new-thread/1350#post_12051562


thnx, i'll have a look in the morning ... now i'm off to catch some zzzz-zzzzzzs.

oh man, massdrop exclusive -- fostex th-x00 on friday.

post #2927 of 13222
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thnx, i'll have a look in the morning ... now i'm off to catch some zzzz-zzzzzzs.

oh man, massdrop exclusive -- fostex th-x00 on friday.


Yes I saw the foster th-x00 and I'm drooling even though it's closed back. I prefer open back as I've no one to disturb around me. I mean not in my office.

 

Don't keep eyeing other beautiful headphones. Be happy with your Stax-007 and AKG-K7XX.  :wink_face: 

 

All I want is the new HD800 next year. Dang HE560 sounding so good now.

 

Tube amp sound is for me and I believe Elise is a perfect, sensible choice for most headphones. The ability to drive high and low impedance headphones and also to use as a preamp...for $649.

 

Plus the tubes we have here, it will transformed your life. You'll never want to shovel snow again. !!! :D 


Edited by UntilThen - 11/24/15 at 11:44pm
post #2928 of 13222

Alison Krauss & Union Station Live...I just love this.

 

post #2929 of 13222

An evening with NAD d1050, Elise, FDD21 / ECC30 and Tung Sol 5998 and HE560.

 

This setup is worthy of an evening spend listening to a whole genre of songs.

 

The capabilities of HE560 is simply amazing. It's so natural sounding and smooth, treble is clear and extends well, midrange is forward and musical, bass is tight and controlled, extends deep and low.

 

Elise with this compliment of tubes has complete control of the HE560, adding warm and lushness, at the same time keeping precision and timing with the fast and articulate HE560. Attack, sustain and decay is spot on here. It's hard to imagine a tube amp with such an excellent transient response and yet at the same time providing the lovely tube amp sound. It is just so enjoyable with music and never fatiguing on the ears. Bass is excellent and first class. This is high fidelity bass, tight, controlled and with impact. They will slam you when the music calls for it.

 

It is unconceivable that an OTL tube amp would pair so well with a low inefficient (90db 32ohm) planar magnetic such as the HE560. 

 

This is an excellent review of HE560, with comparison to LCD-X and HD800.

http://www.hifiman.com/articles/detail/342

 

A picture of those 3 headphones from the review.


This is the setup I'm listening to now. Leonard Cohen voice is rugged and lovely.


Edited by UntilThen - 11/25/15 at 3:39am
post #2930 of 13222
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Originally Posted by geetarman49 View Post

i previously provided a link to a hum eliminator device - i'm not advocating for anyone to buy this, but there is some info that is germane to the issues at hand.  to wit, please read all of the text in this page  ...  http://www.graniteaudio.com/zero/page2.html.   this should clarify things & provide some additional info for people who have difficult issues with hum.
hth,

"New Model #502 Ground Loop Elimination System. MSRP $660.00"

Or a one tenth of one cent length of wire - and your ground hum problems are over.

It's your choice.

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post #2931 of 13222
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Originally Posted by UntilThen View Post
 


Yes I saw the foster th-x00 and I'm drooling even though it's closed back. I prefer open back as I've no one to disturb around me. I mean not in my office.

 

Don't keep eyeing other beautiful headphones. Be happy with your Stax-007 and AKG-K7XX.  :wink_face: 

 

All I want is the new HD800 next year. Dang HE560 sounding so good now.

 

Tube amp sound is for me and I believe Elise is a perfect, sensible choice for most headphones. The ability to drive high and low impedance headphones and also to use as a preamp...for $649.

 

Plus the tubes we have here, it will transformed your life. You'll never want to shovel snow again. !!! :D 


haahaa ...  i wish i had a 007; i hear the new ones are satisfyingly close to the 009 ... nope, just have 407.

the k7xx is my all-rounder these days --- i use it for tv audio.

 

i never want to shovel snow again --- it's true, but then mother nature comes around & shellacks us good.  that's the price for living in this part of canada.

post #2932 of 13222
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This setup is worthy of an evening spend listening to a whole genre of songs.

The capabilities of HE560 is simply amazing. It's so natural sounding and smooth, treble is clear and extends well, midrange is forward and musical, bass is tight and controlled, extends deep and low.

Do you like the your HiFiman Planars' better than your Sennheiser dynamic phones?
post #2933 of 13222
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Originally Posted by UntilThen View Post
 

An evening with NAD d1050, Elise, FDD21 / ECC30 and Tung Sol 5998 and HE560.

 

This setup is worthy of an evening spend listening to a whole genre of songs.

 

The capabilities of HE560 is simply amazing. It's so natural sounding and smooth, treble is clear and extends well, midrange is forward and musical, bass is tight and controlled, extends deep and low.

 

Elise with this compliment of tubes has complete control of the HE560, adding warm and lushness, at the same time keeping precision and timing with the fast and articulate HE560. Attack, sustain and decay is spot on here. It's hard to imagine a tube amp with such an excellent transient response and yet at the same time providing the lovely tube amp sound. It is just so enjoyable with music and never fatiguing on the ears. Bass is excellent and first class. This is high fidelity bass, tight, controlled and with impact. They will slam you when the music calls for it.

 

It is unconceivable that an OTL tube amp would pair so well with a low inefficient (90db 32ohm) planar magnetic such as the HE560. 

 

This is an excellent review of HE560, with comparison to LCD-X and HD800.

http://www.hifiman.com/articles/detail/342

 

A picture of those 3 headphones from the review.


This is the setup I'm listening to now. Leonard Cohen voice is rugged and lovely.

 

Hi UT...I second everything you have said here,...unbelievable qualities in an OTL at this price - or much more even. lol! :L3000:

 

And I can feel your enjoyment here on the other side of the world..:biggrin:...probably helped by what is entering my ears at this very moment - ie a return to 2031 after a session with 2x FDD20s!

 

My first impression of the 2x 20s was WOW!...smoothed out C3g with a bit more bass - VERY impressive, and can understand JV's love of this sound. I cannot imagine any other tubes matching this performance at anywhere near the price...unless mordy's 6BL7s manage a miracle! :wink_face:

 

There's detail to die for, along with great bass and exquisite treble...so why do I prefer the 20/31 combo?...

 

First, I must give the usual caveat - ie. this finding is based on my ESS Sabre DAC, Beyer T1s and GEC CV2523 (6AS7G) power tubes...and my ears!!

 

As I have mentioned before, it comes down mostly to the combination of the slight differences between these two drivers - after at least 50 hrs' burn-in.

The FDD20 has a slightly wider soundstage and more forward presentation, plus - as you mentioned recently - more upper mids/lower treble.

 

However, this is therefore at the cost of a certain amount of soundstage depth and height. The result is a more 'intimate', immediate sound...which of course many prefer.

But the ECC31's greater s/stage depth & height brings a tad more 3D 'holographic' element to the table, along with a shade more bass extension : it's these qualities that give the type of sound I personally prefer...nay, have become addicted to, lol!! :bigsmile_face:

 

Once again, this is what my own system delivers - and ONLY after the absolutely vital long burn-in needed to merge the two tubes' differences so as not to be distracting...

 

From my previous statements, hopefully it's then possible to tailor the best combination according to the rest of one's gear/ears/preferences....CHEERS! :biggrin: 

post #2934 of 13222
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Do you like the your HiFiman Planars' better than your Sennheiser dynamic phones?

I need to write a novel in response to your question JV.


With Elise and those tubes or equivalent yes. HE560 on Schitt Modi Uber 2 and Schitt Magni Uber 2 sounded dry, lean and a polite bass. Treble is a bit annoying to my ears that has been made lazy by HD650. Tried it with JDS Lab O2+ODAC and Aune T1 too. Same thing. On a Darkvoice 336se, things get better. Treble is smoother, midrange projected and full and bass morph into Hulk but DV336se cannot really drive a low impedance HP. A conventional OTL is meant for a high impedance HP. DV also sounded raw and unpolished but has the unmistakable tube amp sound, warm and lush.

 

Throw Else into the mix and it's a different experience. It's like Elise was made for HE560. Now the sound is smooth, midrange is sweet and engaging, treble is now revealing high notes I've not heard before and sounded very pleasing. The annoyance is gone. Bass is no longer polite. Hello.. this is now Hulk. The bass will now grab and smash when the music calls for, controlled, tight and impactful (gut wrenching) and now 'extends deep' take on a different meaning. It really means deep. Is there any other deep?

 

Yes, it's not an easy answer JV. I need to qualify my answer in response to your question. I love my Senn HD650. With a tube amp such as Elise, it is crazily good. It scales all the way up to the clouds. However strap on a HE560 with Elise and I go ...'Are you kidding me?'. I never would have thought that my lazy, comfy ears will love another HP other than the HD650.

 

There is only a small but significant difference and that is fit and weight. HE560 is a very comfortable planar magnetic. Weight is marginally heavier than HD650 and the ear pads caress my ears. It's soft. The clamp felt tighter though, in certain points. HD650 seems made for my head and ears. The weight is beautiful and the ear cups covers my ears completely. When I first had it it felt uncomfortable due to the new tight clamp. However now the HD650 fits like a velvet glove.

 

So after writing 4 paragraphs, my answer is a definite YES. I like my HE560 more than my HD650 but ...I still listen with both for the fit reason. I always believe I'm a one headphone man but now it's 2. Next year it will be 3. Head-Fi is dangerous hobby...you're always itching to try new gear. :D 

post #2935 of 13222
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Originally Posted by hypnos1 View Post
 

 

Hi UT...I second everything you have said here,...unbelievable qualities in an OTL at this price - or much more even. lol! :L3000:

 

And I can feel your enjoyment here on the other side of the world..:biggrin:...probably helped by what is entering my ears at this very moment - ie a return to 2031 after a session with 2x FDD20s!

 

My first impression of the 2x 20s was WOW!...smoothed out C3g with a bit more bass - VERY impressive, and can understand JV's love of this sound. I cannot imagine any other tubes matching this performance at anywhere near the price...unless mordy's 6BL7s manage a miracle! :wink_face:

 

There's detail to die for, along with great bass and exquisite treble...so why do I prefer the 20/31 combo?...

 

First, I must give the usual caveat - ie. this finding is based on my ESS Sabre DAC, Beyer T1s and GEC CV2523 (6AS7G) power tubes...and my ears!!

 

As I have mentioned before, it comes down mostly to the combination of the slight differences between these two drivers - after at least 50 hrs' burn-in.

The FDD20 has a slightly wider soundstage and more forward presentation, plus - as you mentioned recently - more upper mids/lower treble.

 

However, this is therefore at the cost of a certain amount of soundstage depth and height. The result is a more 'intimate', immediate sound...which of course many prefer.

But the ECC31's greater s/stage depth & height brings a tad more 3D 'holographic' element to the table, along with a shade more bass extension : it's these qualities that give the type of sound I personally prefer...nay, have become addicted to, lol!! :bigsmile_face:

 

Once again, this is what my own system delivers - and ONLY after the absolutely vital long burn-in needed to merge the two tubes' differences so as not to be distracting...

 

From my previous statements, hopefully it's then possible to tailor the best combination according to the rest of one's gear/ears/preferences....CHEERS! :biggrin: 


H1, I like you. You said everything I wanted to say. Saves me from racking my brains at 5am in the morning. I second everything you said there (too). :bigsmile_face:

 

I haven't tried 2 FDD20 with 5998 but 2031 with 5998 seems like a marriage made in heaven with Elise and HE560. 

 

I just need to borrow your GEC 6AS7G. :D

post #2936 of 13222

Thank you @Liu Junyuan for liking for my post BUT I rather hear your impression of Elise vs La Figaro 339. Now either you buy an Elise or I send my Elise to you for a comparison. :p

 

That is one comparison I needed to know the answers for.

post #2937 of 13222
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Thank you @Liu Junyuan for liking for my post BUT I rather hear your impression of Elise vs La Figaro 339. Now either you buy an Elise or I send my Elise to you for a comparison. :p

 

That is one comparison I needed to know the answers for.

I'd be really interested in this as well! La Figaro 339 was one of the other amps I considered before stumbling upon the Elise. I was just about to pull the trigger even. 

post #2938 of 13222

I just bought a 9.32 USD headphones for their quarter inch jack to at least be able to test my tubes.

 

I am glad to report that all my 4 x Chatham 6AS7G with Gold rods, that don't even glow, are perfectly fine.. LOL Immediate impression is, a deep bass, articulate and strong, I so am craving for my HD600 to be delivered fast :|

post #2939 of 13222
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I'd be really interested in this as well! La Figaro 339 was one of the other amps I considered before stumbling upon the Elise. I was just about to pull the trigger even. 


& this custom version looks pretty enticing, n'est-ce pas?

post #2940 of 13222
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I just bought a 9.32 USD headphones for their quarter inch jack to at least be able to test my tubes.

 

I am glad to report that all my 4 x Chatham 6AS7G with Gold rods, that don't even glow, are perfectly fine.. LOL Immediate impression is, a deep bass, articulate and strong, I so am craving for my HD600 to be delivered fast :|


LR, you have pm.

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