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post #3781 of 5584
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post

@Paulus XII: DK4001? If so, it's good stuff, isn't it wink.gif

I can't wait for Forrest to release the new flagship. Given how good FLC8S is, I can only imagine it's going to be absolutely brilliant!

 

Not yet. That's on hold. :-) Music Maker ShockWave III. Outstanding IEM, punching way way above its price tag.

 

Originally Posted by willowbrook View Post


Very much agreed. More bass does not equal just more bass. It changes the whole sound because they interfere with other spectrums. You can hear it when you just change lf and ulf filters. While it does increase/decrease targeted spectrum, something little could just throw everything off balance.

I'd love to have something tuned really well without filters for next release.

 

Exactly.

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I think you gotta be careful when talking about bass, and using the term basshead for that matter. From the dedicated thread, they're way more in to sub bass than mere punch in the mid bass, and HBB himself likes the FLC8, he posted in this thread a ways back. To be quite honest, I don't think anyone truly enjoys uncontrolled mid bass and ground tones, and if they do chances are they haven't heard anything doing it better. 

 

Also, purely increasing the DB of the mid bass frequencies isn't all you need for punch. Air flow has a lot to do with how it feels and it seems theres a whole host of factors to do with reverb and decay and so on. The best bass I've heard in an IEM is from the Aurisonics Harmony (no surprise considering that company's reputation), no question better controlled than the FLC8 and others like the Trinity range and the Lear LHF AED1, though I've not heard any Dunu products (yet). 

The Harmony seems to have a very linear rise in DB down way low in to the sub frequencies. Its a reasonably balanced sound overall - if anything can be a little bright for my taste - but the bass remains visceral because the punch and rumble is almost tactile. Whatever exactly the 'Groove-tuned port' does, it works; especially considering its somehow also probably the best isolating dynamic or hybrid IEM I have.

 

I can't imagine the tuning system makes it any easier, having to engineer around it. But thats why you keep designing and eventually make something better. Forrest has said he'd prefer a less fiddly tuning system and I have no doubt the successor will improve the tech and the sound. 


Edited by ajaxender - 5/15/16 at 9:17pm
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Is there a saying on the flc 8s successor price? Almost buy the Flc 8s but came across @Flcforrestwei description of the new coming flagship sound. Should i wait?
Edited by zaqqwerty - 5/16/16 at 1:06am
post #3784 of 5584
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Originally Posted by jon parker View Post

I personally dont think its gonna be possible to get an outstanding bass on the FLC8S. - the red filters do produce a very nice low sub -bass BUT Im just not finding any actual bass to speak off. Which I think is a shame as it would made a 100% perfect pair of IEM's for me. Also Im left wondering if there is any real point in having a dynamic driver in there? Not because it doesn't do anything but firstly because they have a very 'armature' type sound and secondly the reason you use a dynamic driver is to take care of the low end...and as there is not much low end in the FLC8S...
However, its possible that if there was a lot more bass then we wouldn't have such a magical mid headphone ??  biggrin.gif

Also, I find they are missing 'meat' or 'body' so Im often turning them up higher than they should be, to achieve a 'perceived' body of audio.

Im quite surprised that so many people like the gold filter - I find it quite 'aggresive' in nature...but then to be fair, I do appreciate a more neutral sound sig so that I can let the DAP, the audio and the headphones all simply speak for themselves without having to artificially alter anything in the signal flow [my own personal audio nirvana]

They do fascinate me though - Every time I put them on I am wowed by the clarity and seperation BUT I don't find I want to listen to them for a prolonged period :/

Its almost as if they have been made to SOUND LIKE a totl IEM so you can get that initial wow feeling but because they are not totl they dont have the actual pedigree to really keep them in your ears

To use an anology - a poor one but - its a bit like the difference between a 'glamour model' and the pretty 'girl next door'
On first glance I might be more attracted to the glamour model but I would rather have a deeper long term relationship with the pretty girl next door.
For me the FLC8S is like a glamour model that really gets your attention at first


Having said all that - I still think these are VERY nice iem's and am very grateful to forest for bringing them to us. Female vocals especially sound heavenly and i think over all the FLC8S gives a tantalising look into what TOTL Iem's can give you...which is a real gift to the headphone loving community.

im not here complaining smily_headphones1.gif I just wanted to write out my thoughts to help me gather my experiences with the FLC8S
Ps: using red/grey/grey + DX80 DAP

Really looking forward to the new IEM but wont be buying it if they make it very expensive wink.gif 

Right, Im off now for a walk with my glamour model /  pretty girl next door IEMS biggrin.gif

Thanks for the feedback!
We'll consider the your suggestion when we develop the update version of FLC8.
post #3785 of 5584
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Originally Posted by Paulus XII View Post



DUNU did it too along time ago with the DN-2000J.

EDIT: and Trinity, with the ATLAS.
they are not planar iems lol
post #3786 of 5584
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Originally Posted by jon parker View Post
 

I personally dont think its gonna be possible to get an outstanding bass on the FLC8S. - the red filters do produce a very nice low sub -bass BUT Im just not finding any actual bass to speak off. Which I think is a shame as it would made a 100% perfect pair of IEM's for me. Also Im left wondering if there is any real point in having a dynamic driver in there? Not because it doesn't do anything but firstly because they have a very 'armature' type sound and secondly the reason you use a dynamic driver is to take care of the low end...and as there is not much low end in the FLC8S...

However, its possible that if there was a lot more bass then we wouldn't have such a magical mid headphone ??  :D

 

Also, I find they are missing 'meat' or 'body' so Im often turning them up higher than they should be, to achieve a 'perceived' body of audio.

 

Im quite surprised that so many people like the gold filter - I find it quite 'aggresive' in nature...but then to be fair, I do appreciate a more neutral sound sig so that I can let the DAP, the audio and the headphones all simply speak for themselves without having to artificially alter anything in the signal flow [my own personal audio nirvana]

 

They do fascinate me though - Every time I put them on I am wowed by the clarity and seperation BUT I don't find I want to listen to them for a prolonged period :/

 

Its almost as if they have been made to SOUND LIKE a totl IEM so you can get that initial wow feeling but because they are not totl they dont have the actual pedigree to really keep them in your ears

 

To use an anology - a poor one but - its a bit like the difference between a 'glamour model' and the pretty 'girl next door'

On first glance I might be more attracted to the glamour model but I would rather have a deeper long term relationship with the pretty girl next door.

For me the FLC8S is like a glamour model that really gets your attention at first

 

 

Having said all that - I still think these are VERY nice iem's and am very grateful to forest for bringing them to us. Female vocals especially sound heavenly and i think over all the FLC8S gives a tantalising look into what TOTL Iem's can give you...which is a real gift to the headphone loving community.

 

im not here complaining :) I just wanted to write out my thoughts to help me gather my experiences with the FLC8S

Ps: using red/grey/grey + DX80 DAP

 

Really looking forward to the new IEM but wont be buying it if they make it very expensive ;) 

 

Right, Im off now for a walk with my glamour model /  pretty girl next door IEMS :D

Actually, Red ULF + Gray LF + Gun Blue Nozzle the bass is pretty strong, if you still think it not strong enough, try Red ULF + Empty LF + Gun Blue Nozzle, The Gold Nozzle because the mid is emphasis, the bass doesn't feel so strong.

post #3787 of 5584
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Originally Posted by Flcforrestwei View Post
 

Actually, Red ULF + Gray LF + Gun Blue Nozzle the bass is pretty strong, if you still think it not strong enough, try Red ULF + Empty LF + Gun Blue Nozzle, The Gold Nozzle because the mid is emphasis, the bass doesn't feel so strong.


pls forrest u must get rid of the blue nozzle :(

post #3788 of 5584
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Originally Posted by zaqqwerty View Post

Is there a saying on the flc 8s successor price? Almost buy the Flc 8s but came across @Flcforrestwei description of the new coming flagship sound. Should i wait?The

The new flagship maybe several times of price.

post #3789 of 5584
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Originally Posted by audio123 View Post
 


pls forrest u must get rid of the blue nozzle :(

 

If you don't like the blue nozzle, and if possilble, you can enlarge the hole at the side to 1mm and get rid of the filter inside, then you'll get a gold nozzle with brighter treble.:wink_face: 

post #3790 of 5584
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Originally Posted by Flcforrestwei View Post
 

Actually, Red ULF + Gray LF + Gun Blue Nozzle the bass is pretty strong, if you still think it not strong enough, try Red ULF + Empty LF + Gun Blue Nozzle, The Gold Nozzle because the mid is emphasis, the bass doesn't feel so strong.

It is and please do not take a step into bass quantity. Take step into quality. Punch, tightness, refined.

post #3791 of 5584
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Originally Posted by Flcforrestwei View Post
 

 

If you don't like the blue nozzle, and if possilble, you can enlarge the hole at the side to 1mm and get rid of the filter inside, then you'll get a gold nozzle with brighter treble.:wink_face: 


pretty sure most of us here dont use blue nozzle :tongue_smile:

post #3792 of 5584

I do - that's the beauty of the FLC8S - suit your own tastes

post #3793 of 5584
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Originally Posted by Flcforrestwei View Post

The new flagship maybe several times of price.
@Flcforrestwei thanks for the reply.I guess flc 8s is the answer haha
post #3794 of 5584

Blue filter is pretty good because you can focus on that magical mids much more than other filters and much less fatiguing. Loses a bit too much upper-mid&treble, which is the intended purpose. However, due to that effect, the blue filter gives a presentation that mids are getting the true spotlight.

 

After trying a bunch of combinations, I would say the red gray gold, and red gray blue are my favorite. As Brooko stated, it all boils down to individual's taste/preference.

 

After listening to the red gray blue for a while, switching to red gray gold surprising can be very fatiguing. I actually don't know what to prefer now :confused_face_2:


Edited by willowbrook - 5/16/16 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by Flcforrestwei View Post
 

The new flagship maybe several times of price.

Aww....:(

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