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post #76 of 944
2/18/05 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by LFF
I had to give in as well. Couldn't resist such a good price. Less than $1 per symphony - a real bargain. I am also interested to hear these revised scores. Hope it's worth it.
Wonder how many copies alphacraze has at $5.99

EDIT: I didn't realize it was from a revised score, should be interesting. I wonder how big the changes are. Guess we'll be seeing a round of reviews of this set soon.
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post #77 of 944
2/18/05 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Ward
Your rationalizations are almost as tempting as your cooking.

(P.S. You're right, of course, but you're not helping me economize. )

BW
Economizing sucks.

Well, I'm making chicken soup for dinner, the youngest daughter has a nasty cold.

Hopefully, my husband will be so blinded by the soup he wont complain too much about the bills. Anyway, he's perking up now, it's pitchers and catchers at Legends Stadium.
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post #78 of 944
2/18/05 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Economizing sucks.
Heh and the ranks of Team Ramen Noodle grow!

Scott
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post #79 of 944
2/18/05 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by scottder
Heh and the ranks of Team Ramen Noodle grow!
You will note that she's reduced to serving soup. This doesn't augur well.

BW
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post #80 of 944
2/18/05 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Ward
You will note that she's reduced to serving soup. This doesn't augur well.
Indeed!
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post #81 of 944
2/18/05 at 7:33pm
Well it's my recipe chicken soup and has no resemblance to ramen at all. It's not soup from a can. It's at least 3-4 lbs of chicken and bones, cooked with turnip, celery, parsnip, leek, potatoes, carrots, parsley, dill, salt and pepper and served with rice. It's one of the family favorites, and the prep time alone took me through the Zimmerman-Ozawa R1&2 and the Argerich R3/T1, and into the Ravel/R4 Michelangeli! and I still have to peel the potatoes. It is a labor intensive effort, because after the soup is cooked, it still has to be strained, clarified before serving it with the chicken and vegetables and rice (and I use basmati rice, not instant rice). Basmati rice has to be rinsed carefully in water to remove excess starch and then cooked carefully to avoid overcooking or undercooking. If only all of you could smell it. I'm salivating as I sit here! For desert I'm cheating. I got Haagen Daz vanilla with my favorite scharffenberger cacao nibs and home made chocolate cupcakes -- from a mix, but still smelling good in the kitchen. I saw the credit card bills in the mail, so obviously, I'm trying to soften the blow.
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post #82 of 944
2/18/05 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
It's one of the family favorites, and the prep time alone took me through the Zimmerman-Ozawa R1&2 and the Argerich R3/T1, and into the Ravel/R4 Michelangeli!
And there I was thinking that I am the only person who measures time in terms of what musical pieces I get through. Good to know I have at least one kindred spirit.

-Jay
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post #83 of 944
2/24/05 at 12:08am
We need reports from the field when those Zinman/Arte Nova sets arrive people. No doubt in my mind it is very good set.
Surprisingly his recent Schumann symphony set for same label was a weak effort, so weak I was compelled to sell it.

The Monteux/LSO/London set I mentioned previously should be purchased by any serious collector, an excellent set both performance and sound quality........you have to buy both 2CD sets but unfortunately no room for 9th so not quite complete. Style similar to Bohm/DG and Szell/Sony sets.




The new Norrington/Hanssler set looks like a keeper for me also, some of these are live recordings with applause. As in his landmark 1980's set he does things a bit different and makes you rethink these great works.....will report more detail later.
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post #84 of 944
2/24/05 at 12:48am
Any recommendation of recently recorded performances of Beethoven Symphonies that are available in SACD or DVD-A? I'm interested in high quality sound, as well as excellent performance.
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post #85 of 944
2/24/05 at 12:50am

Zinman/Beethoven

The Zinman/Beethoven arrived today. I'm listening to it as I type--disc three of five. The sound I hear is not grass growing under the conductor's feet. Zinman opts for snappy tempos and quick timings. The sound is really excellent with transparent textures and a nice orchestral balance.You can really hear the inner voices of the orchestral parts

There's a sense of unfamiliarity about certain passages. Not sure if that's the new performing edition, or the sound or Zinman's shaping. I like the erformances I've heard thus far, but I can see why the set might be controversial. Beethoven moving briskly results in Beethoven losing weight.

I'll come back after I've had a chance to listen to the remaining symphonies. I'm curious to hear what Zinman does with the 9th.

BW
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post #86 of 944
2/24/05 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by Bill Ward
The Zinman/Beethoven arrived today. I'm listening to it as I type--disc three of five. The sound I hear is not grass growing under the conductor's feet. Zinman opts for snappy tempos and quick timings. The sound is really excellent with transparent textures and a nice orchestral balance.You can really hear the inner voices of the orchestral parts

There's a sense of unfamiliarity about certain passages. Not sure if that's the new performing edition, or the sound or Zinman's shaping. I like the performances I've heard thus far, but I can see why the set might be controversial. Beethoven moving briskly results in Beethoven losing weight.

BW
I second Bill's opinion. My Zinman set has also arrived and the sound is excellent. I think this set would be a nice addition to any Beethoven or classical music lover's collection. I have the old editions played on period instruments, the new editions played on modern instruments and of course, the re-mastered Karajan 1963 cycle.

Overall, I really like the Zinman set from what I have heard thus far. I have only heard up to the sixth symphony and I can't wait until the 9th (too bad they didn't include the 10th).

My thoughts - I CANT BELIEVE THIS SET COST SO LITTLE!!! IT WAS A STEAL! (Less than 10 bucks including shipping). Like Bill, I also can't see why this is considered controversial. The orchestra is well balanced, the tempo's are right on, and the sound quality is fantastic.

For those open minded people who are familiar with Beethoven's 9 (10) symphonies, the new editions are a breath of fresh air. It is so nice to hear a different, and albeit, more accurate version of these great works. They flow effortlessly under Zinman's direction. Can't wait to listen to these more closely. I am sure they will warrant repeated listening's with my Grado RS-1's.

Highly recommended!
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post #87 of 944
2/24/05 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by mikeg
Any recommendation of recently recorded performances of Beethoven Symphonies that are available in SACD or DVD-A? I'm interested in high quality sound, as well as excellent performance.
Definately the ones to get are these:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...ce&s=classical
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post #88 of 944
2/24/05 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by LFF
Definately the ones to get are these:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...ce&s=classical

I've been seriously tempted by that set for SACD. It includes a bonus disc that isn't in the normal set, a rehearsal of the 9th I believe.

PS - My Zinmann set hasn't arrived yet, should be here soon...
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post #89 of 944
2/24/05 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by Bill Ward
The Zinman/Beethoven arrived today. I'm listening to it as I type--disc three of five. The sound I hear is not grass growing under the conductor's feet. Zinman opts for snappy tempos and quick timings. The sound is really excellent with transparent textures and a nice orchestral balance.You can really hear the inner voices of the orchestral parts

There's a sense of unfamiliarity about certain passages. Not sure if that's the new performing edition, or the sound or Zinman's shaping. I like the erformances I've heard thus far, but I can see why the set might be controversial. Beethoven moving briskly results in Beethoven losing weight.

I'll come back after I've had a chance to listen to the remaining symphonies. I'm curious to hear what Zinman does with the 9th.

BW
that reminds me how I felt the first time I heard the 1st and 2nd symphonies from Hogwood and the Academy of Ancient Music. The brisk tempo made the music almost unfamiliar. I still enjoy the early symphonies, but the Pastoral was totally unsatisfying. I just got the word that my Zinman's are on the way. It will be interesting to compare them.
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post #90 of 944
2/24/05 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
that reminds me how I felt the first time I heard the 1st and 2nd symphonies from Hogwood and the Academy of Ancient Music. The brisk tempo made the music almost unfamiliar. I still enjoy the early symphonies, but the Pastoral was totally unsatisfying. I just got the word that my Zinman's are on the way. It will be interesting to compare them.
I got the Hogwood series when they first came out and did not care for the performances. Zinman's Haydnesque lightness of foot works best with the even numbered symphonies IMO, the "little" ones. It certainly illuminates the "big" works, but there are losses as well. The Eroica's Marcia Funebre comes off as a bit unseemly in its haste to get the hero to the grave, and some of the big climaxes lack impact because they're swept away so quickly.

I like this set. It exemplifies a point Bunnyears made earlier.
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How does one explain the way different interpretations make the old new? New performances are like getting new glasses. Sometimes you never realize that things are blurred until suddenly everything becomes crystal clear.
Zinman is a master optometrist.

BW
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