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post #106 of 333

And it's humorous for you to think the NOS stock will dry up before you've lived a full life.


Edited by paradoxper - 9/27/15 at 5:10am
post #107 of 333

Maybe it's the path chosen by Stax to build their own TOTL amp to pair with SR-009..?

 

Ali

post #108 of 333
Thread Starter 

I think David likes to pre-plan well in advance. He also likes (like me) the idea (or fantasy in many of my cases) ownership of yet more exciting products in this hobby.

 

David is very realistic about this hobby. I don't get the folk who hoard multiple sets of old Stax amps and phones. That is like stamp collecting and not really (to me) relevant to this hobby. To me, it is about the pursuit of the best sound we can get at money we can afford. Boxes gathering dust is just plain silly. I know David has an idea to run a separate system in another part of his house. I run a separate system in the UK and one here in Spain. 

 

In 2 years time for example, there will be many Carbons in the circuits, and many more listening impressions. I am not saying Birgir is not a good reference re SQ, but it is best to have more than one opinion. I don't agree with Birger on the 009 having to 'tame the harsh top end', so clearly have different tastes in what I want.

 

Paradoxper, how is the T2 coming along? That is another milestone Stat amp that could shake up this community for sure! Good luck with it BTW, I am jealous...

post #109 of 333
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

And it's humorous for you to think the NOS stock will dry up before you've lived a full life.

There probably are plenty of NOS tubes available, but a quad of top quality ones I'm not so sure, so, maybe you can say where a lot of top quality NOS tubes can be found.


I could also get a KGSSHV Carbon late this year early next if I wanted to, but I'm having home improvements done before getting another stats amp.
post #110 of 333

Ask Kevin Gilmore what his favorite amp is. There are those who like to collect etc etc. I don't get it, but I don't knock it either.

And yea, I get planning a year or two ahead - saving towards. More than that, seems lots could change, etc. Even more silly

to me with a BHSE in the stable. But I'm just picking fun at David. Tubes can be found you just have to look. I'm sure by the time I'm dead maybe the stock will start drying up.

 

Don't want to derail this thread. My T2 is coming along great, 2016 ETA and progress can be seen at the other place.


Edited by paradoxper - 9/27/15 at 6:14am
post #111 of 333
I thought the whole point of this hobby was to listen to music :-) might be wrong as people keep talking about spending tons of money to buy new equipment and never seem happy to listen to what they've got. Personally I still prefer spending £50 at the opera...even if I've got a 009 with a decent setup
post #112 of 333
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Originally Posted by realmassy View Post

I thought the whole point of this hobby was to listen to music

 

You have got this so wrong....

 

Edit: This hobby is where severely obsessive/compulsive types get gently ushered towards to stop them from being a nuisance to normal society. Once you get over that fact, it's all good!


Edited by TheAttorney - 9/27/15 at 10:13am
post #113 of 333
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post
 

I think David likes to pre-plan well in advance. He also likes (like me) the idea (or fantasy in many of my cases) ownership of yet more exciting products in this hobby.

 

David is very realistic about this hobby. I don't get the folk who hoard multiple sets of old Stax amps and phones. That is like stamp collecting and not really (to me) relevant to this hobby. To me, it is about the pursuit of the best sound we can get at money we can afford. Boxes gathering dust is just plain silly. I know David has an idea to run a separate system in another part of his house. I run a separate system in the UK and one here in Spain. 

 

In 2 years time for example, there will be many Carbons in the circuits, and many more listening impressions. I am not saying Birgir is not a good reference re SQ, but it is best to have more than one opinion. I don't agree with Birger on the 009 having to 'tame the harsh top end', so clearly have different tastes in what I want.

Paradoxper, how is the T2 coming along? That is another milestone Stat amp that could shake up this community for sure! Good luck with it BTW, I am jealous...

 

Which is why I will have a STAX museum, open to the public on weekends. :tongue_smile:

 

Yeah, he's made many posts about not liking the 009 much and about how the original 007 is the best headphone STAX ever made. But in the context of these high-end amps, getting both headphones is the easy part.

 

My best friend (who is integral to my devious "BHSE heist") told me that the shop "we" want to buy from only has one BHSE currently in stock and will probably not import more for awhile. If that one is purchased by someone else, I may not have the chance anymore to get a BHSE with no wait period even if I could afford it. The KGSSHV Carbon is more convenient in many ways: significantly cheaper, no wait period provided one is in stock, and solid-state so no need to worry about tube issues. I suppose, like everyone else, it comes down to budget. Just a little confused about the whole "T2 or BHSE" decision, given that the DIY T2 is practically unobtainium, whereas the Carbon is readily available. But perhaps Carbon now, T2 later would be best, even if it would take a considerable deal of time and effort, since nearly everyone says the T2 is better than the BHSE. Just thinking out loud here.

 

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Originally Posted by realmassy View Post

I thought the whole point of this hobby was to listen to music :-) might be wrong as people keep talking about spending tons of money to buy new equipment and never seem happy to listen to what they've got. Personally I still prefer spending £50 at the opera...even if I've got a 009 with a decent setup

 

The better your gear is, the better the music will sound...potentially. ^_^

 

But yeah...nothing can replace live performances. I've performed in orchestras that sounded amazing live, but then the recording of it was awful!

post #114 of 333
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post
 

I know David has an idea to run a separate system in another part of his house. 

 

I was going to have another headphone system in a different part of my home Julian, but I've changed my mind on that, however with me only having the one stats amp, I'll still be getting a KGSSHV Carbon.

post #115 of 333
Thread Starter 

Hi David

 

I see. So your awesome shelf stacker will be bursting Ha Ha, like it a lot.

 

Seriously, I am really curious what the Carbon brings to the table. If it has an uprated Power Supply and then those carbon Fetts

which I assume are able to take the extra voltage / watts /heat, and thus give an even better soundstage and dynamics than the current KGSShv.

 

My worry living in Spain is those extra amps will create more heat. The fetts will be ok, but the surrounding PCB will get heat via connections,

and the caps in the PS will get hotter as the case would theoretically be hotter as well.

 

I haven't a clue, as I have only build pre-designed and parts complete DIY amp/DACs but if I was going to build a Carbon, I would sit in in a big deep case

and over spec the heatsinks. I would set the PS caps well away from the sides, and have the mains trans right at the back in the centre. I am not worried

about a bigger chassis. Indeed, it might be not a good idea to try and squeeze the Carbon into a smallish case?

 

Caps don't enjoy much heat for long life. Most are rated at 105°C 1000 hours, so if the cap temperature is kept below say 40°C you should have 10 - 15 years life easy.

Any increase over that and the caps and other parts will fail early. Heat is the enemy of many amp and tube based amp designs.

 

Of course, this is my view. Others feel free to chime in. 

 

Back to the sound of the Carbon, clearly we are all gagging to know that. I am a bit negative as to wether it will beat the BHSE, I imagine based on my (limited) knowledge of the KGSShv v BHSE, the Carbon will be more of the same on top of the KGSShv. The bass is supposed to be awesome, but my KGSShv is already, possibly better than the BHSE. It is the midrange and vocals where the BHSE changes gear. SS has a steep hill to climb to beat that aspect IMO.


Edited by astrostar59 - 9/28/15 at 8:32am
post #116 of 333
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post
 

Hi David

 

I see. So your awesome shelf stacker will be bursting Ha Ha, like it a lot.

 

Seriously, I am really curious what the Carbon brings to the table. If it has an uprated Power Supply and then those carbon Fetts

which I assume are able to take the extra voltage / watts /heat, and thus give an even better soundstage and dynamics than the current KGSShv.

 

My worry living in Spain is those extra amps will create more heat. The fetts will be ok, but the surrounding PCB will get heat via connections,

and the caps in the PS will get hotter as the case would theoretically be hotter as well.

 

I haven't a clue, as I have only build pre-designed and parts complete DIY amp/DACs but if I was going to build a Carbon, I would sit in in a big deep case

and over spec the heatsinks. I would set the PS caps well away from the sides, and have the mains trans right at the back in the centre. I am not worried

about a bigger chassis. Indeed, it might be not a good idea to try and squeeze the Carbon into a smallish case?

 

Caps don't enjoy much heat for long life. Most are rated at 105°C 1000 hours, so if the cap temperature is kept below say 40°C you should have 10 - 15 years life easy.

Any increase over that and the caps and other parts will fail early. Heat is the enemy of many amp and tube based amp designs.

 

Of course, this is my view. Others feel free to chime in. 

 

Back to the sound of the Carbon, clearly we are all gagging to know that. I am a bit negative as to wether it will beat the BHSE, I imagine based on my (limited) knowledge of the KGSShv v BHSE, the Carbon will be more of the same on top of the KGSShv. The bass is supposed to be awesome, but my KGSShv is already, possibly better than the BHSE. It is the midrange and vocals where the BHSE changes gear. SS has a steep hill to climb to beat that aspect IMO.

 

Speaking of hardcore power...check out the new Nanotube, if you haven't already:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/774767/nanotube-the-newest-electrostatic-amp-by-kevin-gilmore

 

As far as I know, no one besides Kevin has built one yet, but the specs are so crazy I wouldn't be surprised at all if it outperforms the other amps.

 

By the way, do you listen to all genres of music like I do, or only a few? I ask because many guitars, drums, etc. are in the mid range too, and if you listen to, say, extreme metal and/or electronic stuff, I would be interested in how the BHSE compares to the KGSSHV with more energetic music like that. Also, Rammstein is industrial metal and has nothing to do with thrash metal as your profile implies.

post #117 of 333
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post
 

 

Speaking of hardcore power...check out the new Nanotube, if you haven't already:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/774767/nanotube-the-newest-electrostatic-amp-by-kevin-gilmore

 

As far as I know, no one besides Kevin has built one yet, but the specs are so crazy I wouldn't be surprised at all if it outperforms the other amps.

 

By the way, do you listen to all genres of music like I do, or only a few? I ask because many guitars, drums, etc. are in the mid range too, and if you listen to, say, extreme metal and/or electronic stuff, I would be interested in how the BHSE compares to the KGSSHV with more energetic music like that. Also, Rammstein is industrial metal and has nothing to do with thrash metal as your profile implies.


Dude, you are going to get a harassment order, I am onto my Lawyer tonight! Yeah, ok effin Industrial Metal it is, or is it tanz metal... Neue Deutsche Härte anyways, floats my boat, is so fresh and different. I know they were influenced by Kiss and others, but they are quite unique IMO. On my rig it sound amazing. On music types Iike Klaus Shultz, Alex Morphe and Armin Van Burren, but also regularly put on Pink Floyd (all remastered) Yes, Mozart, Bach, Sarah Brightman. I have about 1,000 rips at Redbook on my Mac Mini, so can grab any in an instant. I don't work anymore, or at least a bit but in my 'studio' so have music on most of the day. 

 

I had a Stax rig back in the 1980s' and left it alone for 15 years until I came back to it in 2002. Since then been hooked. I use it about 50% of the time and my speakers the rest. I like the speakers ability to 'energise the room' when everyone else is at work. The bass is superb on my Audio Note DAC. But for transparency and that upper limit of detail and extension, the 009s and the KGSShv are tops IMO>

post #118 of 333
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post
 

Dude, you are going to get a harassment order, I am onto my Lawyer tonight! Yeah, ok effin Industrial Metal it is, or is it tanz metal... Neue Deutsche Härte anyways, floats my boat, is so fresh and different. I know they were influenced by Kiss and others, but they are quite unique IMO. On my rig it sound amazing. On music types Iike Klaus Shultz, Alex Morphe and Armin Van Burren, but also regularly put on Pink Floyd (all remastered) Yes, Mozart, Bach, Sarah Brightman. I have about 1,000 rips at Redbook on my Mac Mini, so can grab any in an instant. I don't work anymore, or at least a bit but in my 'studio' so have music on most of the day. 

 

I had a Stax rig back in the 1980s' and left it alone for 15 years until I came back to it in 2002. Since then been hooked. I use it about 50% of the time and my speakers the rest. I like the speakers ability to 'energise the room' when everyone else is at work. The bass is superb on my Audio Note DAC. But for transparency and that upper limit of detail and extension, the 009s and the KGSShv are tops IMO>

 

ahaha. I hope I'm not actually being annoying. I just love talking about music-related stuff. ^_^

 

I love Sarah Brightman! Was talking about Sarah Brightman, Enya, opera, etc. with my roommate last night.

 

Yeah, I'm self-employed, so I know how that is. Except I always eat twice, then start my listening session with an energy drink or soda.

 

Oddly enough, I prefer headphones over speakers. That's the main reason I have no issue with high-end headphone amps.

 

But I was referring to when you auditioned David's BHSE. I'm assuming you didn't play much metal on it.

 

Oh, and if you didn't look, the Nanotube has "4 floating ONE THOUSAND VOLT power supplies"! :eek:

post #119 of 333

Word from Birgir:

 

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Based on short first impressions the Carbon beats the T2 easily but I need more time to be sure.  Just more powerful and with more detail, better soundstage and far cleaner bass.

 

:eek:

post #120 of 333
Wow! Is anyone in UK going to build it? I'd be curious to listen to it
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