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post #346 of 4328
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Totally! Crowdfunding isn't always something you feel you get to see all the money sunk into the product (I'm looking at you Star Citizen, I mean seriously, how do you crowdfund nearly $79 million???), but with the Trinity IEMs, I like what I see! Things will be very competitive indeed when these are at proper retail prices, but for the KS prices, it's borderline daylight robbery!

 

And it isn't even us getting robbed. Can hardly wait!!

post #347 of 4328
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Just a further update on the Spinfits - 

 

Spinfit did reply - but their requirement for a reasonable price level on the tips was going to be around 10.000 pairs, and their other requirement was that the SpinFit Logo and "Powered by SpinFit" wording would be printed on the product packaging.

 
Bob actually had no issues with pushing the logo on the packaging - but the initial outlay would have killed the KS (3 pairs x 10K).  Pity - because he possibly would have looked at making them standard on all earphones from that point.

 

Might still be an option in a few years as Trinity grows in size - but for now was a step too far.


My head spinned and I lost my power for a moment upon seeing their One of the "other requirement"....

post #348 of 4328
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

Just a further update on the Spinfits - 

 

Spinfit did reply - but their requirement for a reasonable price level on the tips was going to be around 10.000 pairs, and their other requirement was that the SpinFit Logo and "Powered by SpinFit" wording would be printed on the product packaging.

 
Bob actually had no issues with pushing the logo on the packaging - but the initial outlay would have killed the KS (3 pairs x 10K).  Pity - because he possibly would have looked at making them standard on all earphones from that point.

 

Might still be an option in a few years as Trinity grows in size - but for now was a step too far.

 

What important is all the optimum eartips are included. Doesn't have to be SpinFit. SpinFit is just another eartips, not always optimum for every IEM. Optimum eartips sometime can be a very cheap generic eartips.

On my latest Titan 1 review, cheap generic triple flange and double flange sound better than SpinFit.  Hopefully Trinity has done their due diligent to test all the 3 models with various eartips and includes the optimum ones.

post #349 of 4328
I think extra eartips is a good idea, everyone can use a variety and they're handy to have. Another possibility would be including a soft pouch (Trinity branded) as an extra storage feature. Not everyone's going to want to carry around that red hardcase everywhere.
post #350 of 4328

there is something which i am quite curious, can one of your who have the demo set of delta or techne, do you mind to take some detail picture of how the interior shell look like when the filter have been remove? will the driver be tangling around or is it possible that i will damage the driver accidentally when i remove or insert the filter when i screw it too hard?

post #351 of 4328
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there is something which i am quite curious, can one of your who have the demo set of delta or techne, do you mind to take some detail picture of how the interior shell look like when the filter have been remove? will the driver be tangling around or is it possible that i will damage the driver accidentally when i remove or insert the filter when i screw it too hard?

 

No - you won't damage it unless you try and poke something in there ;)

 

Photos were in my review.

 

Delta

 

 

 

 

 

Techne

 

 

First one is Bob's, second one is mine.

post #352 of 4328
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What important is all the optimum eartips are included. Doesn't have to be SpinFit. SpinFit is just another eartips, not always optimum for every IEM. Optimum eartips sometime can be a very cheap generic eartips.

On my latest Titan 1 review, cheap generic triple flange and double flange sound better than SpinFit.  Hopefully Trinity has done their due diligent to test all the 3 models with various eartips and includes the optimum ones.

 

Here's the problem Bram - how do you do due diligence when everyone's anatomy is different, also their preferences, and the Trinity series is already heavily discounted?  I mean look at the quality of shell and cable compared to anything else in the price bracket.

 

Bob's already suggested he'll be including the standard tips (shown in the review), some foams, and possibly a double flange. How far do you go to satisfy everyone?  Personally, I find silicones rarely fit - and triple flanges are hugely uncomfortable. As long as the basics are covered (enough to start), many people will experiment with tips from other IEMs anyway :smile: 

post #353 of 4328
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No - you won't damage it unless you try and poke something in there ;)

 

Photos were in my review.

 

Delta

 

 

 

 

 

Techne

 

 

First one is Bob's, second one is mine.

 

 

thank for your quick reply, so i assume the driver should sit firmly in the shell and they should not be moving if you give them a light shake.

post #354 of 4328
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They are very stable.
post #355 of 4328
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

Here's the problem Bram - how do you do due diligence when everyone's anatomy is different, also their preferences, and the Trinity series is already heavily discounted?  I mean look at the quality of shell and cable compared to anything else in the price bracket.

 

Bob's already suggested he'll be including the standard tips (shown in the review), some foams, and possibly a double flange. How far do you go to satisfy everyone?  Personally, I find silicones rarely fit - and triple flanges are hugely uncomfortable. As long as the basics are covered (enough to start), many people will experiment with tips from other IEMs anyway :smile: 


True words indeed. Can't account for the vastly different ears of the people who buy the product. For example, silicones rarely fit for you yet for me, they do just fine. It's not that foams don't fit better, but silicones are more convenient and certainly fit well enough for my needs. Just to quickly and easily prove it's very hard to accommodate how these will fit everyone's ears.

post #356 of 4328
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 look at the quality of shell and cable compared to anything else in the price bracket.

 

 

That's really awesome and its TRUE, mm by mm......built like a TANK, the shells,strain reliefs,especially at the 3.5mm jack end and the cables.

post #357 of 4328
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

Here's the problem Bram - how do you do due diligence when everyone's anatomy is different, also their preferences, and the Trinity series is already heavily discounted?  I mean look at the quality of shell and cable compared to anything else in the price bracket.

 

Bob's already suggested he'll be including the standard tips (shown in the review), some foams, and possibly a double flange. How far do you go to satisfy everyone?  Personally, I find silicones rarely fit - and triple flanges are hugely uncomfortable. As long as the basics are covered (enough to start), many people will experiment with tips from other IEMs anyway :smile: 

 

Yes, you're right, everyone's anatomy is different, and we do hear IEM differently. So, it is best to let the IEMs to be tested by more people, to find different opinions, before it gets to production.

To play safe, it is best to provide more variety of eartips to get optimum sound for wide variety of user anatomies. For example, even standard eartips come with various bore size; small, medium, and large bore. Different bore size sounds different, with similar standard eartips comfort. To some triple flange is uncomfortable, to some it is the holy grail for best sound quality. Other prefer foam eartips. So, it is make sense to provide more variety of eartips for every model.

 

No doubt the IEM construction is really well made, and price is very reasonable. Don't you think it is a pity for a very good IEM not sounding optimum just because of the eartips?  Eartips are relatively inexpensive, but play major role to the sound of IEM. So, IMHO, don't save cost on eartips, provide more variety of eartips. Not all users have a drawer full of eartips like some of the reviewers here. Especially since the 40k goal has been reached.

My2Cents :wink_face:

post #358 of 4328

if engraving the word on the shell dun work, how about adding a piece of plastic cable slider to the cable which have the word "kickstarter" or "backer no." on it if this will take lesser time.

 

the L jack dun really matter to me, if it is a adapter. i see no reason to use that adapter unless i want to added more weight to my portal rig, with it or without it make no different to me. 


Edited by sleepingforest - 4/14/15 at 2:07am
post #359 of 4328
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the L jack dun really matter to me, if it is a adapter. i see no reason to use that adapter unless i want to added more weight to my portal rig, with it or without it make no different to me. 

 

i think this is the crux of the issue, really: every user is going to use the product in a slightly different way.  for example - how many of us will wear the cable over our ears, and how many will just let it hang down?  how many would prefer an angle jack, and how many prefer the straight jack?  how many are interested in engraving vs how many really couldn't care less?  how many prefer silicon tips to foams to flanges to something else?  how many would like memory wire for a secure fit, and how many wouldn't want that?  how many want an inline mic/remote, and how many don't?  how many want a short cable with an extension, and how many want a single long cable?  how many want replaceable cables?

 

there are just too many variations and possibilities to cater to everyone, so at some point bob has to draw a line in the sand and say 'this is what i want to deliver'.  the only other option is a design-by-vote approach, where bob asks people what they'd like via some sort of poll and assumes that's generally representative of the buying market overall.  the ks is almost at 750 people now, which isn't a bad number for that sort of approach - but at this stage, the products are pretty much designed and ready to go.  as such, the voting approach is one that would make sense on the *next* generation of headphones.

 

as an example, bob's asked for some ideas for a set of gym headphones.  i've sent a couple of emails his way on that score to hopefully help influence his thinking into something that suits me as, quite frankly, there's only a couple of headphones out there that really do gym use well, and i'd love to see some better options.  even on that score, though, there were two of us using headphones in conflicting ways and we had different use cases and preferences (see above).

post #360 of 4328

i understand what you mean, i love L jack and prefer it too but i only find that a L jack adapter on a straight jack is a burden. just my point . haha

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