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Not everyone has thousands and thousands to throw at audio gear
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post #17 of 40
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Not everyone has thousands and thousands to throw at audio gear

It's an interesting argument: buy relatively expensive headphone that can act as a reference-quality piece and feed it with the equivalent of a wet sock. What's the point?

Edit: FWIW, I own a Modi, so this isn't mere speculation.
Edited by Shaffer - 3/25/15 at 7:33am
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It's an interesting argument: buy relatively expensive headphone that can act as a reference-quality piece and feed it with the equivalent of a wet sock. What's the point?

Edit: FWIW, I own a Modi, so this isn't mere speculation.

Hey I said  "I'm not going to upgrade my amp/ dac. after some time maybe..." That means I will upgrade in the future, but not in the near future. So I won't stay with Modi forever!!!!

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It's an interesting argument: buy relatively expensive headphone that can act as a reference-quality piece and feed it with the equivalent of a wet sock. What's the point?

Edit: FWIW, I own a Modi, so this isn't mere speculation.

 

So because I can't afford £500+ for an amp and the same for a DAC, I shouldn't bother with audio and leave it to more wealthy folk like you?

 

Headphones make by far the biggest difference to sound quality, with amps and DACs bringing up a distant rear, unless you count colouring via tubes (I won't even bother talking about cables). So I spent most of my money on the headphones, for greatest effect, which is what many experienced headfiers would advise. I did have an Essence One MUSES edition but the difference between it and the Modi & Vali stack was so small I stuck with the (much) cheaper option.

 

Not sure why you have to make audio some kind of willy waving contest but I can assure you that I enjoy my hobby just as much as you do, even if it is through a wet sock.

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Hey I said  "I'm not going to upgrade my amp/ dac. after some time maybe..." That means I will upgrade in the future, but not in the near future. So I won't stay with Modi forever!!!!

I wouldn't be any rush to upgrade. There's always one or two outliers that don't like a product, even though the very large majority of people do. The very large consensus on head-fi is that the Modi is a very good DAC for the money. I would trust that.
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So because I can't afford £500+ for an amp and the same for a DAC, I shouldn't bother with audio and leave it to more wealthy folk like you?

Yeah. Some people think that

$$$ spent on equipment >> sound quality

instead of recognizing the greatly diminishing rate of returns in spending more money on electronics once you get to the point where measured differences are at or beyond the range of human hearing.
post #21 of 40
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So because I can't afford £500+ for an amp and the same for a DAC, I shouldn't bother with audio and leave it to more wealthy folk like you?

Your words, not mine.
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Headphones make by far the biggest difference to sound quality, with amps and DACs bringing up a distant rear, unless you count colouring via tubes (I won't even bother talking about cables). So I spent most of my money on the headphones, for greatest effect, which is what many experienced headfiers would advise. I did have an Essence One MUSES edition but the difference between it and the Modi & Vali stack was so small I stuck with the (much) cheaper option.

Not sure why you have to make audio some kind of willy waving contest but I can assure you that I enjoy my hobby just as much as you do, even if it is through a wet sock.

The better the headphone, the more transparent. As such, you're hearing what's downstream.

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post #22 of 40

You embrace arrogance with flair, I'll give you that, now be a good chap and go troll someone else.

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You embrace arrogance with flair, I'll give you that, now be a good chap and go troll someone else.

I'm sorry that an honest recital of one's experience upsets you. Good luck.
post #24 of 40

We have extremely different views, so lets leave it at that and go our separate ways.

post #25 of 40
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I wouldn't be any rush to upgrade. There's always one or two outliers that don't like a product, even though the very large majority of people do. The very large consensus on head-fi is that the Modi is a very good DAC for the money. I would trust that.
Yeah.
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that's what I thought about vali/modi, since there are lot of people who enjoy the combo with hd600.
post #26 of 40
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I wouldn't be any rush to upgrade. There's always one or two outliers that don't like a product, even though the very large majority of people do. The very large consensus on head-fi is that the Modi is a very good DAC for the money. I would trust that.
Yeah.

Heh, that's known as the McDonalds Argument; lots of folks buy their burgers, so they must be great burgers. The fact is, most folks who buy a Modi are doing it as an entry into audio with virtually no other point of reference. A Dragonfly, for just a few dollars more, offers actual sound quality, as opposed to the equivalent of putting one's hand over one's mouth and trying to sing.

BTW, mine is sent back to Schiit. Died after ~18+ months of sitting in the same spot. Quality.
post #27 of 40
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Heh, that's known as the McDonalds Argument; lots of folks buy their burgers, so they must be great burgers. The fact is, most folks who buy a Modi are doing it as an entry into audio with virtually no other point of reference. A Dragonfly, for just a few dollars more, offers actual sound quality, as opposed to the equivalent of putting one's hand over one's mouth and trying to sing.

Actually, I've seen other people say that the Dragonfly and Modi are of comparable quality. I guess the most likely explanation, based on your analogy, is that your taste buds are off.
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BTW, mine is sent back to Schiit. Died after ~18+ months of sitting in the same spot. Quality.

DACs aren't like cheeseburgers. They don't go bad just sitting there. Most likely it knew you didn't like it. Bad karma.
post #28 of 40
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Actually, I've seen other people say that the Dragonfly and Modi are of comparable quality. I guess the most likely explanation, based on your analogy, is that your taste buds are off.

I've seen people say the Moon is made out of Green Cheeze. Please don't insult the reader's intelligence.

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DACs aren't like cheeseburgers. They don't go bad just sitting there. Most likely it knew you didn't like it. Bad karma.

What?
post #29 of 40

As the thread title suggests I was hopping to see some actual owners of each of these chime in on some comparisons. I guess that was asking too much... Anyhow I own the HD600 and just ordered the K612 today. It will be interesting to compare them out of my TEAC UD-H01. Regarding the effect of DAC/Amps, generally "pro" monitor grade headphones are made for decent amplification. That being said the differences from my decent X-FI soundcard to my TEAC DAC were not as drastic as my gaming grade headset vs the HD 600. I would agree that the headphone should be a priority to spend on. You do get clear improvements with good DAC's, but just like the headphone market there are great performers available for cheap, and some overpriced junk too.

 

Regarding synergy between an amp and headphone, it's not something I personally indulge in. By design amps are almost never made for a particular headphone in mind. Good amps should have great synergy with any great headphone. Several even have gain switches to help with this. In fact, if an amp were made only for one particular headphone I would steer clear. Imagine if a DSLR lens was designed to work with only one model of camera body... it would be ridiculous.

 

Just my 2 cents.


Edited by rigodeni - 5/10/15 at 6:39pm
post #30 of 40
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As the thread title suggests I was hopping to see some actual owners of each of these chime in on some comparisons. I guess that was asking too much...

Huh? I posted on the first page as an owner of both.
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