Originally Posted by prot
The dawkins comparison is quite apt, no need to take anything to any extremes: provable, measurable stuff vs. nice stories ... science vs. unicorns.
But IIUC, you seem to have something against dawkins&co. I dont care enough abour that stuff to call myself an atheist but I'd be curious to know what you think they are doing wrong. That's all offtopic but this is not exactly a super active thread
I do have an issue with Dawkins; the man is an absolutely rude man and incredibly dismissive of people for entirely petty reasons. Along with Dawkins you have Sam Harris (and his big time partner in crime Bill Maher) who have teamed up to run a campaign of sorts highlighting the inherent violence and savagery that comes with the practice of Islam, brushing any innocent casualties under the rug because, given their islamic faith, they would likely have become terrorists if they survived so good riddance.
My point at large as it relates to this forum is that I believe the rhetoric used by the "objectivists" is not going to promote a real medium of discussion between the two opposing camps. I'm not saying one side did something bad first and they're to blame, but if you do take pride in letting science, and sound, guide your equipment decisions then also take pride in promoting rhetoric that respects both sides of the isle rather than snidely commenting about what some people spend in their search for their ideal sound.
Deidre McCloskey, an incredible economist, historian, and much more, has written a series of books on the industrial revolution and what really caused it, not just the scientifc advances but the changing social class structure, and with that a change in the dynamics of respect for the merchant class. I think her thesis about how rhetoric, and common values promote change more than anything else, would be something this forum should digest and implement. Promote more informed decisions rather than downplaying the subtle, if any, differences between amps and dacs assuming blah blah blah. Promote critical listening and enjoyment of the music as the end game, but also promote the journey that blind testing different equipment is, how it is a learning process between man, gear, and sound. Idk this might make zero sense.
About myself, I am a subjective objectivist when it comes to the audio debate, and a nihilistic, moral skeptic of an agnostic philosophically speaking and my study interests include Thomistic theology, Augustine, and British Idealism ala Oakeshott.