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Would changing both the cable on the Nighthawkes to NightOwl Carbon & NightHawk Carbon Cable (4.25’) give more detail and clarity at the upper end treble versus Ultra-Suede Ear Pad or Leather Ear Pad ?

Should I sell my NightHawks and get the NightOwls??

Love the NighHawkes but miss a bit more clarity in the upper registers.

I think you need to make a distinction between clarity and amplitude. Clarity relates to distortion. Cables can add to distortion, so the first thing to do is to change the cable and see if that solves the problem. I am running a Type 2 Silver Litz cable from headphonelounge.com with my NHs and that improved clarity across the entire frequency range... scarily so in comparison to the stock AQ Magic Cable. The suede pads will reduce the bass a couple of dB, which will result an apparent increase in the amplitude of upper mids and treble. 

post #5432 of 6630
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Originally Posted by tunes View Post

Would changing both the cable on the Nighthawkes to NightOwl Carbon & NightHawk Carbon Cable (4.25’) give more detail and clarity at the upper end treble versus Ultra-Suede Ear Pad or Leather Ear Pad ?

Should I sell my NightHawks and get the NightOwls??

Love the NighHawkes but miss a bit more clarity in the upper registers.


I have the 4.25 cable with my NH.  I'm not a cable guy and have not heard any significant differences between them. IMO,You will find the gains in detail and clarity you are looking with the Boost or Ultra Suede pads. I really enjoyed the NH with the stock pads, but more detail was what I was looking for and these pads did the trick for me!

 

The Boost and US pads do not take the NH to glassy, tizzy, nasty sibilant highs but do go in the direction of extended treble you are looking for. I wasn't looking for a totally analytical detail monster hp, but found myself listening to parts of well known music that did not have the detail I was looking for.

 

nmatheis did a NH pad review and he is staying with the stock pads. He likes the NH just the way they are and was not a fan of either of the new pads. Some folks have found the Brainwavz angled a nice addition and nmatheis didn't care for them either.

 

We all have a sound we like and don't like. The NH with the Boost or US pads did the trick for me and I'm happy!!!


Edited by nwavesailor - 1/11/17 at 9:52am
post #5433 of 6630
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I have the 4.25 cable with my NH.  I'm not really a cable guy and have not heard any significant differences between them. IMO,You will find the gains in detail and clarity you are looking with the Boost or Ultra Suede pads. I really enjoyed the NH with the stock pads, but more detail was what I was looking for and these pads did the trick for me!

Can you say what sonic differences you hear between stock, Boost and Ultra Suede?

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Originally Posted by Venture Guy View Post
 

Can you say what sonic differences you hear between stock, Boost and Ultra Suede?


Sorry Venture Guy. I'm new to the headphone game & not good at addressing the nuances of clarity and amplitude just what i like and don't like.

 

Here are some posts from Skylar Gray regarding the pads: post #2710 & #4788, from a few weeks ago:

 


@nmatheis did a great review which sums up the pads nicely I think. Check out his vid and post.
I hope more people will chime in with their experiences as these pads start to circulate. Here's my take:
 
 
I think of it like room treatment; after all, the spaces within the earpads are like mini rooms.
 
Take a look at the inner panel of the OG NightHawk pads (we call them "Classic" pads) versus the Boost pads. Otherwise, these pads are identical in construction.
 

 
We use an ultrasuede inner panel on the Classic pads (left) and a protein leather inner panel on the Boost pads (right). This would be akin to treating wall surfaces with more absorptive material or more reflective material, respectively.
 
Don't expect a wholesale change when comparing these pads; the liquidity is retained regardless of which set one uses.
 
I find that vocal prominence is enhanced with the Boost pads which have a tendency to provide a sense of treble clarity due to slight reflection of upper-mids instead of slight absorption. The Boost pads will not change the response below 1kHz; however, I find that, perceptually, because the upper-mid/treble becomes very slightly "boosted," the lower mid/mid bass region is now less prominent.
 
Engagement? That's entirely subjective, so I cannot answer that one definitively. Personally, I am liking the all-ultrasuede pads lately.
 
We decided to put these pad options out there and let the users decide. I think everyone will have their own preference. Very soon we will make these available through our website. We are testing the shop right now and making sure we can process orders. Once that is complete, I will post here.

 

 

 

 

With the stock pads I was NOT hearing distortion (clarity) just not hearing the detail or extension of the highs I was looking for. When more folks get the new pads, or folks with the NH Carbon or Night Owls chime in, I'm sure they will describe in more technical terms what they hear.

 

I just know what I like and, for me, it is the Boost and US pads on the original NH!


Edited by nwavesailor - 1/11/17 at 11:00am
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is thicker cable is silver cable ?? i feel it brings treble more forward.

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I remember seeing measurements of the 2 included cables on another site, and the bottom line was that the thin gold cable had unusually high resistance (purposefully?), while the silver cable had lower resistance, and combined with the low impedance of the Nighthawks that means that the headphones are slightly but noticeably louder when using the silver cable, but the frequency response doesn't change. Our brains have a tendency to perceive the higher volume as being "fuller." I'll try to find the link to the measurements, as I don't think it's from the site-that-shall-not-be-mentioned


Edited by HipHopScribe - 1/11/17 at 11:43am
post #5437 of 6630
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Originally Posted by tunes View Post

Would changing both the cable on the Nighthawkes to NightOwl Carbon & NightHawk Carbon Cable (4.25’) give more detail and clarity at the upper end treble versus Ultra-Suede Ear Pad or Leather Ear Pad ?

Should I sell my NightHawks and get the NightOwls??

Love the NighHawkes but miss a bit more clarity in the upper registers.


I hope more detail and clarity! I just ordered the large cable and the ultrasuede they use on the Carbons. I figure it will take forever to get it.

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I hope more detail and clarity! I just ordered the large cable and the ultrasuede they use on the Carbons. I figure it will take forever to get it.


I think you may indeed find both with the new US pads! Please post your impressions.

Those of you that have the new Carbon NH that came with (I believe) the new Boost and US pads should chime in as well.

 

We'd love to hear what you hear using these new pads!!!


Edited by nwavesailor - 1/11/17 at 5:55pm
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My Nighthawks just got here, spent 10 minutes listening to a 11k dsd file. Wow, like silk, so smooth and just clean. Almost like being there. I can't wait until they break in. What do the new pads cost and sound like? Also how is the new cable? Any pricing on that? I'm in the US. Thanks to everyone here for pursuading me to get these.
post #5440 of 6630
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nmatheis did a NH pad review and he is staying with the stock pads. He likes the NH just the way they are and was not a fan of either of the new pads. Some folks have found the Brainwavz angled a nice addition and nmatheis didn't care for them either.

We all have a sound we like and don't like. The NH with the Boost or US pads did the trick for me and I'm happy!!!

Just to clarify, I like Stock and Boost better than Ultra Suede. I can see using Ultra Suede, but in a more limited manner. I'd have to have a particular urge to swap out for those.

Regarding the Brainwavz pads on NH, I thought those were a complete flop. Wouldn't use them again. If anyone out there wants to take them off my hands for half price plus shipping, I'd be up for that. They've already got holes in the right places for the NH's retention clips. Just PM me.
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Oh yeah, and I've got a loaner pair of Nightowls on the way, so I can take my time comparing NH vs. NO and let people know what I think.
post #5442 of 6630
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Just to clarify, I like Stock and Boost better than Ultra Suede. I can see using Ultra Suede, but in a more limited manner. I'd have to have a particular urge to swap out for those.

 

 

Sorry, Nikolaus....................I thought you were a 100% NH stock pad guy.   

 

It's good to hear that you do like the Boost pads for some of your music!!!  :D 

 

As you know, I have been looking for more detail using the NH and the Boost and US pads do it for me.

I look forward to your impression of the NO's!


Edited by nwavesailor - 1/11/17 at 9:07pm
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Sorry, Nikolaus....................I thought you were a 100% NH stock pad guy.   

It's good to hear that you do like the Boost pads for some of your music!!!  biggrin.gif  

As you know, I have been looking for more detail using the NH and the Boost and US pads do it for me.
I look forward to your impression of the NO's!

No worries at all. By the way, it looks like Portland is trying to keep up with your stomping ground. 8.5" overnight eek.gif

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No worries at all. By the way, it looks like Portland is trying to keep up with your stomping ground. 8.5" overnight eek.gif


That is a LOT of white stuff for Portland.!!!

 

We still had some snow on the ground from last week but you got more in PDX than we did from this storm. We got about 5", perhaps a hair more, but it is nice dry snow with no power outages so I'm happy!

post #5445 of 6630

The long cable is driving me crazy.  Realized there was another thinner cable went to put that one on then noticed it is also long, whyy :(

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