This is what I dont get.. I have tried all my music, lots of bass heavy electronic and hip hop.. I dont get distortion - selecting some random low bitrate track from youtube and stating it causes distortion is not a summation of a general issue with the headphone - its an issue with the track.
Its understood, you dont like the H8.. but emphasizing an issue that hasn't been noticed by anyone else (as far as I know of) and basing that on the quality of the headphone isnt much of a review. I dont see the need of maxing out the volume of my headphones, I want to be able to hear in my later years, but at high normal listening volumes I have never noticed a semblance of distortion - I rarely listen to FLAC or ALAC (so even on 320 and 256 things sound great) and I dont EQ my high-end headphones, I know you like to - to me thats like add a turbo charger to a Ferrari (I think the engineers knew what they were doing when they made the hardware) just my opinion.
Please explain me HOW can it be an issue of the track if I have used three different versions of the track (two streaming ones and one I have on my Hard Drive) and I have used the SAME exact track with all the other 30 (30!!!) BT Headphones which I have tested, and NOT A SINGLE ONE apart for the H8 has EVER produced the LESSER distortion? NOT A SINGLE ONE, even at max volume and MUCH more boosted with the EQ than what I need to boost the H8 before they distort!?
EQ or not EQ, I invite you to avoid insinuating that EQing is a symptom of "you do not understand **** about music".
I do not say that not EQing is idiot. So, do NOT say that of EQing. It is not enough to add "just my opinion". If I tell you "you do not understand a ****", and I add "just my opinion", it does not sound much better.
You like the sound out of the box? Cool. Those who do not, they need to EQ. And the engineers did not know **** about my ears, so they made something which sounded good to THEIR ears. Which means that I have to retune it to my tastes and/or psychoacustic perception of sound. And retune is NOT boost.
Same something, different people, different perception of the sound. Read reviews: Samsung Level Over. Some people say it lacks mids. Some people say it excel in mids.
So, you buy it because you read that it excel in mids, but to your psychoacustic perception of sound they lack mids, and you need to EQ.
You like flat? You buy the AKG K845BT because you read they are flat, but you happen to be very sensitive to high frequencies and the AKG K845 BT play at the limit there, which did not disturb the reviewer, but disturbs you, so you need to EQ.
But even coming to the typical "EQ boost", you cannot take an objective role of universal point of reference and claim that EQ is bad. Those who listen to Dubstep, ABSOLUTELY need to EQ, because NO headphone (at least no BT Headphone in this moment) can provide without EQ the amount of bass needed to enjoy Dubstep. And I mean REAL Dubstep.
And the ONLY thing which the H8 have in common with the Ferrari is the high price. If you want to know what a true Ferrari sounds like in the world of BT Headphones, try the ATH-WS99BT.
There is always the possibility that you will not like the sound signature, and if you cannot even use some basic subtractive EQ to RETUNE something (which is NOT boosting a Ferrari, it is RETUNING, with subtle changes on the EQ for example slightly decreasing of 3DB the Low mids if they are too present to your personal psychoacustic perception and/or tastes), you have to trust destiny.
But considering the kind of headphones you are used to, apart for the H8, you should be able to perceive the difference, and see that what you call Ferrari is, at best, a Fiat 500. New model, the fancy one, but, still a Fiat 500.
But well, it is also a matter of tastes and preferences.
But I find it a bit egocentric your assumption that as you do not like to EQ then there is no problem with the Headphone because those who EQ are the problem.
EQing or not is a matter of personal decisions, and headphones MUST be able to be EQed.
YOU do not like to EQ. the 90% of bassheads DO like to EQ, and the H8 are CLEARLY a bass oriented headphone because even out of the box they boost bass so much to make most "non bass oriented music" not enjoyable (I have tried to listen to Celtic music today. No EQ, just out of the box: the boost in the bass, specially when wired, was completely ruining that song).
YOU do not feel the need to put the vol at max, but the H8 are definitely NOT a loud headphone, and many people who like to listen to things louder than you (and there are a lot, if I can have read complaint about "not loud enough" for headphones which are much louder than the H8) will definitely have to put all volumes at max, specially when outdoors.
EDIT: I also do NOT tend to listen to music at max volume, apart for the fact that the max volume of an headphone may be the half or 3/4 volume of another one, so, all is relative. But let's say, I also do not tend to listen to very loud music, but you just can NOT talk for other people and can NOT say "the H8 are ok because you should not use them at Max vol".
So, it is NOT about you or me here. It is about that things must sound good to as many people as possible. And even if I were a "no EQ" guy, I would DEFINITELY consider the H8 a sub-par Headphone for its inability to please a wide public: the H8 boost the bass way too much for lovers of flat neutral sound. Actually, they also boost upper mids and highs. So, people who like flat are already out. So, let's try with bassheads: all perfect till there is no ANC. But wait, why on Earth did I just spent 500 for something with ANC when the Fidelio M2BT without ANC but with an excellent passive NC sound way better than the H8 and cost less than the half, or the ATH-WS99BT sound universes better and cost just a bit more than the half? So, let's use this damn ANC: ops, wtf? Distortion... What? "you do not have to put it loud and you do not have to boost the EQ". Are you kidding me? I am a basshead, I am listening to Dubstep, I want to ******* move my head while I listen to music, not eat cheesecake with Earl Grey Tea while calmly reading Vogue.
So, lovers of flat neutral sound are out, bassheads are out.
What remains? You, and the fans of B&O, and people listening to moderate pop and rock and with a preference for a moderate v-shaped signature.
This is about.
About that you must be able to use something in its full range of possibilities without having to worry that if you use ANC you do not have to walk or you ear bumps, if you use wired you do not have to listen to bass heavy music or you must deactivate ANC, if you use ANC you must not boost the bass with the EQ...
And you still trying to convince me that it is that track?
Ok, you know what, I make you a damn LIST of each single track which produce distortion with this 500 bucks headphone:
https://vimeo.com/40304409 (this is not even youtube, in case you now want to say that the problem is not B&O but youtube).
https://vimeo.com/17939081 (not even a typical "bass heavy" track)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze7WPR8j_uQ (that's Radiohead, not Skrillex).
And so on and on and on and on and on...
With each single track with some heavy bass, if I use the H8 wired AND with ANC on, the bass (specially the sub-bass, but also the kick drum) badly distort, and if you switch between ANC on and off you can hear it even at lower volumes.
But considering that this is a TEST and not the future of your hearing abilities, you are safe also if you put the volume at max.
Then, if you do not believe me, let's do like this, I send you my H8, you send me yours. And let's see if I was so unfortunate to get TWO defected units!
Edited by Giogio - 3/21/15 at 5:57pm