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post #976 of 3288
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

 

Yeah, why not ;)

 

 

 

And while I'm at it, might as well hook it up to my laptop!

 

 

 

I don't think anything even comes close to what these headphones are capable of.  Simply AMAZING!!!

The Definitive Technology Symphony 1 (also just came out) has pretty much the exact same features and capabilities and the noise cancelling can be disabled on it. More headphones will probably come out in the future with similar features I would imagine as bluetooth audio is really taking off now.

post #977 of 3288
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The Definitive Technology Symphony 1 (also just came out) has pretty much the exact same features and capabilities and the noise cancelling can be disabled on it. More headphones will probably come out in the future with similar features I would imagine as bluetooth audio is really taking off now.

 

Looks pretty nice but still a bit different from the M2 wireless.

 

They are $100 less msrp and have 50mm drivers (believe the M2's are 40mm).

 

But, according to reviews/impressions I read, they don't fold and have a huge carry case. And, probably because the ANC/BT can be turned on/off separately (likely due to separate internal chips vs the combined M2 chip), the batt life is 8-15hrs compared to 22hrs (one reviewer got over 25hrs though) on the M2.

 

Crutchfield mentions the Definitive's usb dac ability but (like Sennheiser) no specs found anywhere. If they really are using a different chipset, perhaps their dac goes higher than the M2's 16-bit/48khz.

post #978 of 3288
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

With twist-on cable lock, you just need to get used to it.  It's the same as original Momentum wired.  I need to double check once I get home to verify this, but I don't believe they have a white alignment marker like other headphones have (ex. ATH cans).  That usually helps to make sure your cable and earcup is aligned and locked properly.  Again, need to look at it once I get home.

 

Regarding, wired operation with power on and off, there is a big difference in sound and I obviously prefer wired with power on.   But here is a reason why, look at the spec (click to enlarge the image):

 

 

impedance is 28 ohm in active and 480 ohm (!!!) in passive.  So with this kind of impedance in passive wired mode you need a good amp to juice up a performance.  Once you turn the power on to activate noise canceling circuit and internal DAC (and probably some amp section?!?) - the sound comes alive with a full in your face energy of a balanced sound signature with a rather natural tonality, excellent bass extension with a nice well controlled slam, smooth detailed mids, and extended crispy treble (no sibilance what so ever).  I had these on the other day for 2+ hours and my ears wasn't even getting hot or sweaty.  I review a lot of headphones, and these one by far have the best wired/wireless sound I have tested so far, especially with aptX codec support.  Just keep the power on to use it in active mode!

 

The sennheiser official website states 28 ohm in passive and 480 ohm in active for impedance :blink:. I wonder which is correct?

Here's the link: http://en-us.sennheiser.com/momentum-wireless-headphones-with-mic

post #979 of 3288

A comparison of these and the NAD HP50 would be interesting :o

post #980 of 3288
Just sent my second pair back. Shame as they were very comfortable, sounded awesome, but for $499 the anc and bt blows. Any type of sudden boom and the anc pops. 2 examples are on the train. If another train passes in other direction....it pops the anc in my ear. Also if someone opens door, and it slams shut....it pops. Has something to do with the pressure. I was willing to deal with the bt issues, but for $499, they should be perfect. I just picked up a pair of the plantronics pro, and anc is just as good as the bose, no bt issues at all, no popping anc like the senns. Sound is not as good as the senns, but damn close and much better than the bose. I wanted to keep the senns for the outstanding sound, but for a commuter headphone, they suck.
Edited by suzook - 3/24/15 at 12:09pm
post #981 of 3288

So your 2nd one got the exact same BT connection problems as your first set?

I just got my money back and am now back on my Plantronics Backbeats Pro. I miss the design and comfort of the Sennheiser, but what can you do.

post #982 of 3288
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So your 2nd one got the exact same BT connection problems as your first set?
I just got my money back and am now back on my Plantronics Backbeats Pro. I miss the design and comfort of the Sennheiser, but what can you do.
As sorry as I am to hear you have had a negative experience with these I can't help but look forward to a few of these returned cans ending up on Amazon warehouse deals or ebay at knock down prices. Would love to get my hands on a pair.
post #983 of 3288
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Originally Posted by Yappadappadu View Post
 

So your 2nd one got the exact same BT connection problems as your first set?

I just got my money back and am now back on my Plantronics Backbeats Pro. I miss the design and comfort of the Sennheiser, but what can you do.

Actually 2nd set was a little worse with the BT skips. My main reason for the return though was the anc doesnt handle sudden loud noises. It causes a verry irratating pop. At $499, they should run rings around the plantronics, but dont. I agree about the design and comfort of the Senns, but thats where it stops .Plantronics really do compete in the sound department though.

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Originally Posted by lawrecedent View Post


As sorry as I am to hear you have had a negative experience with these I can't help but look forward to a few of these returned cans ending up on Amazon warehouse deals or ebay at knock down prices. Would love to get my hands on a pair.

Check Crutchfield, as they will have 2 in a few days;)

post #985 of 3288
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

With twist-on cable lock, you just need to get used to it.  It's the same as original Momentum wired.  I need to double check once I get home to verify this, but I don't believe they have a white alignment marker like other headphones have (ex. ATH cans).  That usually helps to make sure your cable and earcup is aligned and locked properly.  Again, need to look at it once I get home.

 

Regarding, wired operation with power on and off, there is a big difference in sound and I obviously prefer wired with power on.   But here is a reason why, look at the spec (click to enlarge the image):

 

 

impedance is 28 ohm in active and 480 ohm (!!!) in passive.  So with this kind of impedance in passive wired mode you need a good amp to juice up a performance.  Once you turn the power on to activate noise canceling circuit and internal DAC (and probably some amp section?!?) - the sound comes alive with a full in your face energy of a balanced sound signature with a rather natural tonality, excellent bass extension with a nice well controlled slam, smooth detailed mids, and extended crispy treble (no sibilance what so ever).  I had these on the other day for 2+ hours and my ears wasn't even getting hot or sweaty.  I review a lot of headphones, and these one by far have the best wired/wireless sound I have tested so far, especially with aptX codec support.  Just keep the power on to use it in active mode!

  I must respectfully disagree with the resistance statements of your post. I realize that it does in fact say 28 ohm in active and 480 ohm in passive, but I truly think this is a typo. I had not noticed this on the box up until now (thanks for bringing this to light). I also noticed this in the manual, but on Sennheiser's web site it is listed as backwards. 

 

  While I maintain that this COULD, in fact be accurate, there was a test that I ran to see if this is correct or not. First, logic would dictate that the powered mode would add resistance (which also explains the lesser volume output, when compared to passive mode). Next, I plugged in my M1s and then plugged in the M2s (in passive mode), and noticed that the M1 were only slightly louder than the M2, at the same volume level of the DAP (the M1 are rated at 18 ohms). This lends itself to M1s being 18 ohms, and the M2s being 28 ohms. I realize that this is not the same as actually taking a multi-meter to it to measure actual impedance, but I would argue that the web site specs are accurate. 

post #986 of 3288
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Originally Posted by suzook View Post

Check Crutchfield, as they will have 2 in a few days;)
Thanks for the heads up ☺
post #987 of 3288
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Originally Posted by suzook View Post

Just sent my second pair back. Shame as they were very comfortable, sounded awesome, but for $499 the anc and bt blows. Any type of sudden boom and the anc pops. 2 examples are on the train. If another train passes in other direction....it pops the anc in my ear. Also if someone opens door, and it slams shut....it pops. Has something to do with the pressure. I was willing to deal with the bt issues, but for $499, they should be perfect. I just picked up a pair of the plantronics pro, and anc is just as good as the bose, no bt issues at all, no popping anc like the senns. Sound is not as good as the senns, but damn close and much better than the bose. I wanted to keep the senns for the outstanding sound, but for a commuter headphone, they suck.

 

Well, picture my perspective without the flaws! :D

 

In other words I am experiencing all the good things you said about the M2, and NONE of the bad things. Subway, no poping or anything.In fact, no popping  at all. All I am getting is the outstanding sounds.. Maybe mine are just exceptional.. :D

post #988 of 3288
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

I don't think anything even comes close to what these headphones are capable of.  Simply AMAZING!!!

 

 I had to go back and get this comment to say this!

 

You and I must have lucked up and got an exceptional copy of the M2. I have not experienced ANY of the negatives that are being discussed and the reasons a lot are returning the M2s.

 

I have experienced, WHAT YOU have experienced, and that is the sweet crystal clear sound.I returned the Def Tech Symph 1s, and  they  were $130 cheaper..

 

Something is going on here!!:D  How come you and I seemed to be jumping up and down at how good these M2s are, and others not exactly jumping, or think they are not worth the $500.. 

 

Also, if I had experienced some of the negatives being discussed on the M2, you bet your bottom buck, they would be going back too. In fact, I am going to put my M2s under the microscope and see what happens..;) 

post #989 of 3288

I've had mine over a month now and I love them.

 

Glad I bought the wireless version after debating between the two as it gives me different outlets/options when using these cans.

 

The SQ is utterly beautiful. 


Edited by thisisthesam - 3/24/15 at 5:03pm
post #990 of 3288
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Originally Posted by cehowardNote3 View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

I don't think anything even comes close to what these headphones are capable of.  Simply AMAZING!!!

 

 I had to go back and get this comment to say this!

 

You and I must have lucked up and got an exceptional copy of the M2. I have not experienced ANY of the negatives that are being discussed and the reasons a lot are returning the M2s.

 

I have experienced, WHAT YOU have experienced, and that is the sweet crystal clear sound.I returned the Def Tech Symph 1s, and  they  were $130 cheaper..

 

Something is going on here!!:D  How come you and I seemed to be jumping up and down at how good these M2s are, and others not exactly jumping, or think they are not worth the $500.. 

 

Also, if I had experienced some of the negatives being discussed on the M2, you bet your bottom buck, they would be going back too. In fact, I am going to put my M2s under the microscope and see what happens..;) 

 

What are the negatives others are talking about?  Don't have time to read through all the pages, but people seems to have concern about ANC and some transient responses as a train passes buy?  I can't test that, my only noisy environment is the lab at my work where we have some serious loud cooling fans.  I'm in heaven when I put these headphones on and they put a huge smile on my face where I can cut out all the outside noise.  Is this ANC better than QC25?  Not necessary.  Bose is specializing in active noise reduction, they are a one trick pony when it comes to that.  So if your highest priority is absolutely superb active noise reduction and nothing else - get Bose.  But if you are willing to accept ANC a notch down in performance and add bluetooth wireless bt4.0 w/aptX codec which is superior to other bt compressions and you want to have sexy design with an amazing build quality and premium materials and if you want a legendary Sennheiser sound - you go for M2 Wireless.  Dre's Beats ANC is hissing, I don't like it and their sound improved by too much bass and not even close to Senns.  Bluetooth range - I get 45 feet in open space, and was able to go down to the basement and still had some connection between the floors.  Not sure if BT has anything to do with people's source and the strength of the signal, but I have no issues with Galaxy Note 4 or Galaxy S5.

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