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Hi i've plan to buy the EL8 , before that , i have some questions , is the EL8 despite the weight (480gr) suited for an on the go use ? (on train , subway)  How about the isolation ? and comfort ? Last thing what are the cable issues ? Thanks in advance . 

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Heard them both yesterday at the Raleigh/Cary NC meet. The only end are the better sounding to my ears. The opens are closer to the LCD2/3's and the ones closer to the XC.
 
I don't want to get into specifics at the moment but I will later if I get some time to sit down in front of a keyboard.
 
Long story short they sound good but I ended up canceling my pre-order for the closed. I want and need closed but looks like I'm just spoiled with the XCs. Was going to get a pair for work but they didn't tickle my fancy like I was hoping.
 
A quick direct comparison from closed to XC: the closed hit the mark. Great soundstage and detail. It did sound a but more synthetic. When I switched back to the XC it's about the same feeling when Netflix jumps from 480p to 1080p on HD. It's like you didn't realize but once you notice it its hard to go back.
 
The opens a were much more musical and not as bright. Much closer I'm sound sig of the LCD2's but still a ways off similar to the above comparison.
 
I'll write more later about it.
 

 

 

I had both the open and closed pair on for a short while Saturday and the opens isolated about as well as the LCD2's, The closed isolate much better than the XC's. I'd put the isolation up there with the Alpha Pads on Alpha Dog/Primes if you've ever heard those.

 

Comfort was about the same between the two, I didn't notice any weight differences. I have kind of a large head but luckily it fit me without feeling like it needed a few extra clicks. I did get a hot spot directly on the top of my head but most headphones bother that spot as well so take that with a grain of salt. I did find the clamp to be higher than LCD's. I'm sure it'd loosen up over time but being more mobile headphones they'd probably benefit with a better grip off the bat.

 

The cables seemed well enough. They are flat and feel like they'll hold up. The plugs seemed to plug in snug but those types of connections worry me the same way a micro USB or lightning cable goes into a device. It's snug and perfect when it's new but over time there develops a little wiggle that may or not bother some but it does me. The cable seemed to be a little rubbery feeling and less plasticy if that makes sense. They are just on the border of being too sticky and getting tangled on easily due to being oh-so-very tacky feeling. 

 

I personally am an Audeze fanboy and will always be but the EL8's weren't for me. The XC's are arguably the brightest of the LCD lineup and I love them unconditionally but I did find the EL8's cold and harsh/sibilant in the 2-4khz range. The closed was worse than the open. I have had a wide variety and range of headphones that had that problem that ended up forcing me to part ways. A few being the TH600's and to a worse extend the TH900's, RS1's were very harsh to my ears at 2khz. Maybe I just have a closet warm headphone preference but I do like my XC's and they are the brightest of the bunch. I do tend to decrease the bass on most cheaper headphones to balance them out so...

 

Instead of the closed EL8's I think I'll just live with the negatives of being open and get a pair of LCD2's to compliment my XC's. 

 

Hope this helps, feel free to question me. These are my impressions and others may and will likely differ. When I tested these headphones it was at the end of a very long day at a meet-up and my ears were most likely tired and more sensitive than they usually were so that most likely would throw my opinion off by quite a bit. 

 

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I don't want to sway your opinion but to further add to the discussion. If every single comment in this thread is glowing and drooling then...
 
As I say Audeze is my fav headphone company out there. I went in with extremely high expectations mainly due to this thread and hype from over the web and was let down. These aren't LCD's and everyone who reads any review/impression needs to keep that in mind. 
 
To further accentuate my point about their sibilance, my ears were tired at that point. The LCD2, which I usually find too warm and dark sounding sounded amazing to my ears at that point in the day. The treble was right where it needed to be without being harsh and the mids were so sweet and the bass very deep without being muddy. It's not fair to compare them side by side it's also just as hard no to. There is only a $300 price gap on a $700 headphone. The EL8 Open came very close to the LCD2 but they were missing the lushness and had increased sibilance (like I say) I tend to be sensitive to. If the Grado RS1 doesn't bother you at all then these will be fine and you will love them and I wouldn't hesitate recommending them for a second without question. They have resolution, soundstage, detail, blah blah, everything you're looking for in a smaller package.  As I described previously, I found them to be the Enchanced Definition version of the High Definition LCD series, if that makes sense. 
 
I'd be you $20 that if I sat down with the EL8 closed right now and listened to them for an hour they wouldn't bother me much as far as sibilance goes. But if I ask myself would they bother me after a few hours the answer might be yes. I don't have the time with them to make that call yet. The TH600's were like that. They were great on my head for a few hours but after while they were harsh to me. 
 
Again, I don't want anyone reading my impressions and leaving thinking, "holy cow, I should cancel my pre-order". No they aren't bad headphones by any means. I was critical because I had high expectations and was let down a bit mainly due to the hype which is my fault for letting myself get too caught up in it. 
 
 

PS: If Audeze is reading this take it with a grain of salt. My ears are my ears and I like what I like and don't want I don't. There needs to be a market for the EL8's and I'm glad there is. Hopefully with version 2 there will be some smoothing out of the upper-mids and bring it back closer to its house sound. 

 

EDIT: Sorry for quoting myself but I thought I'd throw my thoughts in the same post.


Edited by Jazic - 3/23/15 at 8:15am
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I had both the open and closed pair on for a short while Saturday and the opens isolated about as well as the LCD2's, The closed isolate much better than the XC's. I'd put the isolation up there with the Alpha Pads on Alpha Dog/Primes if you've ever heard those.

 

Comfort was about the same between the two, I didn't notice any weight differences. I have kind of a large head but luckily it fit me without feeling like it needed a few extra clicks. I did get a hot spot directly on the top of my head but most headphones bother that spot as well so take that with a grain of salt. I did find the clamp to be higher than LCD's. I'm sure it'd loosen up over time but being more mobile headphones they'd probably benefit with a better grip off the bat.

 

The cables seemed well enough. They are flat and feel like they'll hold up. The plugs seemed to plug in snug but those types of connections worry me the same way a micro USB or lightning cable goes into a device. It's snug and perfect when it's new but over time there develops a little wiggle that may or not bother some but it does me. The cable seemed to be a little rubbery feeling and less plasticy if that makes sense. They are just on the border of being too sticky and getting tangled on easily due to being oh-so-very tacky feeling. 

 

I personally am an Audeze fanboy and will always be but the EL8's weren't for me. The XC's are arguably the brightest of the LCD lineup and I love them unconditionally but I did find the EL8's cold and harsh/sibilant in the 2-4khz range. The closed was worse than the open. I have had a wide variety and range of headphones that had that problem that ended up forcing me to part ways. A few being the TH600's and to a worse extend the TH900's, RS1's were very harsh to my ears at 2khz. Maybe I just have a closet warm headphone preference but I do like my XC's and they are the brightest of the bunch. I do tend to decrease the bass on most cheaper headphones to balance them out so...

 

Instead of the closed EL8's I think I'll just live with the negatives of being open and get a pair of LCD2's to compliment my XC's. 

 

Hope this helps, feel free to question me. These are my impressions and others may and will likely differ. When I tested these headphones it was at the end of a very long day at a meet-up and my ears were most likely tired and more sensitive than they usually were so that most likely would throw my opinion off by quite a bit. 

 

EDIT: Further impressions I posted previously: http://www.head-fi.org/t/749214/audeze-el-8-the-el-8-is-a-must-hear-at-ces-2015/#post_11435673

 



oh boy that review is not keeping me interested
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oh boy that review is not keeping me interested

 

I don't want to sway your opinion but to further add to the discussion. If every single comment in this thread is glowing and drooling then...

 

As I say Audeze is my fav headphone company out there. I went in with extremely high expectations mainly due to this thread and hype from over the web and was let down. These aren't LCD's and everyone who reads any review/impression needs to keep that in mind. 

 

To further accentuate my point about their sibilance, my ears were tired at that point. The LCD2, which I usually find too warm and dark sounding sounded amazing to my ears at that point in the day. The treble was right where it needed to be without being harsh and the mids were so sweet and the bass very deep without being muddy. It's not fair to compare them side by side it's also just as hard no to. There is only a $300 price gap on a $700 headphone. The EL8 Open came very close to the LCD2 but they were missing the lushness and had increased sibilance (like I say) I tend to be sensitive to. If the Grado RS1 doesn't bother you at all then these will be fine and you will love them and I wouldn't hesitate recommending them for a second without question. They have resolution, soundstage, detail, blah blah, everything you're looking for in a smaller package. As I described previously, I found them to be the Enchanced Definition version of the High Definition LCD series, if that makes sense. 

 

I'd be you $20 that if I sat down with the EL8 closed right now and listened to them for an hour they wouldn't bother me much as far as sibilance goes. But if I ask myself would they bother me after a few hours the answer might be yes. I don't have the time with them to make that call yet. The TH600's were like that. They were great on my head for a few hours but after while they were harsh to me. 

 

Again, I don't want anyone reading my impressions and leaving thinking, "holy cow, I should cancel my pre-order". No they aren't bad headphones by any means. I was critical because I had high expectations and was let down a bit mainly due to the hype which is my fault for letting myself get too caught up in it. 


Edited by Jazic - 3/23/15 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 
Would you rather Oppo intentionally made the PM-2 driver inferior just so there is a bigger sonic gap between the pm-1 and pm-2?? They designed the best sonic entry they could for the flagship-level at $1k+ market niche. Then they made a cheaper alternative taking as few sonic compromises as possible by using cheaper materials. For audiophiles who care most about the sound, that sounds like the best deal to me.

 

Extremely well articulated! Thanks!

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Thanks for the reply , it calm down my enthusiasm for the EL8 , unfortunately I am in France , it's no way to try it out before buying .I thinks I'm gonna wait until it arrives in France . Cheers
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Thanks for the reply , it calm down my enthusiasm for the EL8 , unfortunately I am in France , it's no way to try it out before buying .I thinks I'm gonna wait until it arrives in France . Cheers

 

You're referring to my post?

 

If you're not sensitive to the sibilance I mentioned in the 2-4khz range then these will be exactly what you'd expect them to be. That range adds a bite that is extremely fun with most music types that adds air and realism that is hard to beat if its missing. That's right in the range of definition to vocals to give them more articulation. 

Don't let my post change your mind but to give you more information about them and something to keep in mind if you're like me. Apparently I'm in the 1% that is picky enough to write a bad impression because of it. If the TH600/900 and RS1's don't bother you then it's a very safe bet to buy the EL8's blindly. You won't regret it!

 

Also, take note my ears were tired at that point. 


Edited by Jazic - 3/23/15 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Jazic View Post
 

If the Grado RS1 doesn't bother you at all then these will be fine and you will love them and I wouldn't hesitate recommending them for a second without question. They have resolution, soundstage, detail, blah blah, everything you're looking for in a smaller package. As I described previously, I found them to be the Enchanced Definition version of the High Definition LCD series, if that makes sense. 

 

 

Interesting, I will probably like them with my Metal music.

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Interesting, I will probably like them with my Metal music.

 

The RS1's aren't even in the same league as the EL8's. Like minor vs major league. No offense to Grado but they just can't compete with planar imo.

 

I was ironically listening to metal. To do my tests. The LCD2/3's were the smoothest and most musical to my ears, XC's were a little more sibilant but it's well within my tolerance level and has been my reference and favorite can ever since I got them a few months ago and likely will be at the top of my list for years to come. The EL8 open were a little bit more sibilant than the XC's that took my ears into the range I'm not crazy about but the EL8 closed were just much more beyond that point of comfort for sibilance.

 

Probably the most critical point I should make overall is that if I didn't have the LCD2/3, XC, or anything else and I had only the EL8 open or closed and I sat down with them for a few hours I'd likely have absolutely no issue with them because my ears wouldn't have been tuned. Since they were tuned to the 2/3's and XC's they were beyond my comfort range. But like I say if I started fresh they'd likely be fine for all day listening so my ears would have adjusted to them. Hopefully most audio enthusiasts know what I mean. 

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If the Grado RS1 doesn't bother you at all then these will be fine and you will love them and I wouldn't hesitate recommending them for a second without question. They have resolution, soundstage, detail, blah blah, everything you're looking for in a smaller package. 

This is a very interesting comment. I cannot stand for Grado, it is too bright for me. I already ordered 8s closed back because my woodies are on bright side and I want a darker phones for some kind of music. Some people in this thread also report that 8s are either warm or dark. I will know by myself soon about its tone. :)

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This is a very interesting comment. I cannot stand for Grado, it is too bright for me. I already ordered 8s closed back because my woodies are on bright side and I want a darker phones for some kind of music. Some people in this thread also report that 8s are either warm or dark. I will know by myself soon about its tone. :)

 

I haven't heard RS1's in awhile but I'd say from what I remember that the EL8 closed aren't as harsh in that 2-4k range. The opens are even less so and closer to the house sound.

 

They are are darker than the RS1 but they have them beat in every way imo. 

 

No offense to Grado, they are a great company and love a few of their cans. 

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Originally Posted by Jazic View Post
 

 

The RS1's aren't even in the same league as the EL8's. Like minor vs major league. No offense to Grado but they just can't compete with planar imo.

 

I was ironically listening to metal. To do my tests. The LCD2/3's were the smoothest and most musical to my ears, XC's were a little more sibilant but it's well within my tolerance level and has been my reference and favorite can ever since I got them a few months ago and likely will be at the top of my list for years to come. The EL8 open were a little bit more sibilant than the XC's that took my ears into the range I'm not crazy about but the EL8 closed were just much more beyond that point of comfort for sibilance.

 

Probably the most critical point I should make overall is that if I didn't have the LCD2/3, XC, or anything else and I had only the EL8 open or closed and I sat down with them for a few hours I'd likely have absolutely no issue with them because my ears wouldn't have been tuned. Since they were tuned to the 2/3's and XC's they were beyond my comfort range. But like I say if I started fresh they'd likely be fine for all day listening so my ears would have adjusted to them. Hopefully most audio enthusiasts know what I mean. 

 

Thanks for your feedback sir, my 2 favorites headphones are the LCD-2 and the RS-1 so I will probably like the Open-Back EL-8 ;)

 

I love the overall tone of the LCD-2, but for some bands I need more bite/crunch in the sound of distorted electric guitars.  I bought a pair of Grado 225e recently because I was not fully happy with the LCD-2F.

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Thanks for your feedback sir, my 2 favorites headphones are the LCD-2 and the RS-1 so I will probably like the Open-Back EL-8 " src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/wink.gif">

 

I love the overall tone of the LCD-2, but for some bands I need more bite/crunch in the sound of distorted electric guitars.  I bought a pair of Grado 225e recently because I was not fully happy with the LCD-2F.

 



I was about to ask ya what version you had but you said you had the 2F. I'm actually looking at the 2F or 3F instead of the EL8's now.

On a side note, you should check out the XC's. Ooh man do I love them for metal and pretty much anything else I throw at them.
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Originally Posted by Jazic View Post
 

 

I don't want to sway your opinion but to further add to the discussion. If every single comment in this thread is glowing and drooling then...

 

As I say Audeze is my fav headphone company out there. I went in with extremely high expectations mainly due to this thread and hype from over the web and was let down. These aren't LCD's and everyone who reads any review/impression needs to keep that in mind. 

 

To further accentuate my point about their sibilance, my ears were tired at that point. The LCD2, which I usually find too warm and dark sounding sounded amazing to my ears at that point in the day. The treble was right where it needed to be without being harsh and the mids were so sweet and the bass very deep without being muddy. It's not fair to compare them side by side it's also just as hard no to. There is only a $300 price gap on a $700 headphone. The EL8 Open came very close to the LCD2 but they were missing the lushness and had increased sibilance (like I say) I tend to be sensitive to. If the Grado RS1 doesn't bother you at all then these will be fine and you will love them and I wouldn't hesitate recommending them for a second without question. They have resolution, soundstage, detail, blah blah, everything you're looking for in a smaller package. As I described previously, I found them to be the Enchanced Definition version of the High Definition LCD series, if that makes sense. 

 

I'd be you $20 that if I sat down with the EL8 closed right now and listened to them for an hour they wouldn't bother me much as far as sibilance goes. But if I ask myself would they bother me after a few hours the answer might be yes. I don't have the time with them to make that call yet. The TH600's were like that. They were great on my head for a few hours but after while they were harsh to me. 

 

Again, I don't want anyone reading my impressions and leaving thinking, "holy cow, I should cancel my pre-order". No they aren't bad headphones by any means. I was critical because I had high expectations and was let down a bit mainly due to the hype which is my fault for letting myself get too caught up in it. 

why am i having the feeling you retracting your opinion, man if you like it then you like it, if not then not, so please stick to your guns man, don't get me wrong man i like when i hear honest reviews but now i am sensing your kinda being apologetic or something, don't be you have the right to express your likes and dislikes, no one here will crucify you for your opinion


Edited by Sound Eq - 3/23/15 at 9:04am
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why am i having the feeling you retracting your opinion, man if you like it then you like it, if not then not, so please stick to your guns man, don't get me wrong man i like when i hear honest reviews but now i am sensing your kinda being apologetic or something, don't be you have the right to express your likes and dislikes, no one here will crucify you for your opinion

 

True and thanks.

 

I just wanted to make it clear that my ears were tired at that point and certain frequencies that I'm already sensitive to were that much worse. 

 

As some great mind said before and it still rings true for me, "Opinions are like ********, everyone's got one but nobody wants to hear from it." :p

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