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post #2611 of 8899

So... for 3000$, how much better are they than the HD800?

post #2612 of 8899
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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post
 

So... for 3000$, how much better are they than the HD800?

 

Define better :p

post #2613 of 8899
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

Nano Technology means technology at the molecular level. It is not a specific material. Just like Semiconductor Technology is not a specific material. I don't believe HiFiman has the means like Dupont to create a consumer product at a large scale from such a technology.

dupont and other chemical companies like it (basf, bayer, dow chemical, and sinopec) dont really creat "consumer products" in the traditonal sense. They are generally in the business of chemically refining raw materials that they sell in bulk to other companies. so you & me won't really be able to go to dupont and order a nano-grade product (like headphones or even headphone diaphragm), but dupont cld sell the nano-grade material in bulk to another company that will use it for their products. chemical companies make a lot of their money from selling raw materials with a patented techology that provides improvements for a specific application in bulk. (so things like self-healing concrete or plastics or materials for wiring or insulation.)
post #2614 of 8899
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dupont and other chemical companies like it (basf, bayer, dow chemical, and sinopec) dont really creat "consumer products" in the traditonal sense. They are generally in the business of chemically refining raw materials that they sell in bulk to other companies. so you & me won't really be able to go to dupont and order a nano-grade product (like headphones or even headphone diaphragm), but dupont cld sell the nano-grade material in bulk to another company that will use it for their products. chemical companies make a lot of their money from selling raw materials with a patented techology that provides improvements for a specific application in bulk. (so things like self-healing concrete or plastics or materials for wiring or insulation.)

 

Yeah, it seems that most audio companies employ the services of dozens of other companies, at least for materials or parts.

post #2615 of 8899

Double as good :p(;
They cost double the money.

If not, what justifies the price difference?

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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
 

 

Define better :p


Edited by pearljam50000 - 3/22/15 at 2:56pm
post #2616 of 8899
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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post
 

Double as good :p(;
They cost double the money.

If not, what justifies the price difference?

 

A luxuriously devilish flavor, of course! :devil_face:

post #2617 of 8899
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Yep, they're twice as good!

 

...You can't really expect someone to quantify something so subjective and expect it to be a useful gauge on what your opinion will be - especially when you already know that the increase in audio quality is never quite proportional to the increase in price.

post #2618 of 8899
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Yep, they're twice as good!

 

...You can't really expect someone to quantify something so subjective and expect it to be a useful gauge on what your opinion will be - especially when you already know that the increase in audio quality is never quite proportional to the increase in price.

 

Spot on...

 

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Double as good :p(;
They cost double the money.

If not, what justifies the price difference?

 

Does the Abyss fit your criteria?

post #2619 of 8899
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post
 

 

Yep, they're twice as good!

 

...You can't really expect someone to quantify something so subjective and expect it to be a useful gauge on what your opinion will be - especially when you already know that the increase in audio quality is never quite proportional to the increase in price.

 

You mean 20 pairs of Beats doesn't equal one pair of Audezes? :blink:

post #2620 of 8899

That's exactly my point, if the Abyss and HE1000 are not MUCH better than the HD800, i am wondering what justifies the price difference?

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Spot on...

 

 

Does the Abyss fit your criteria?

post #2621 of 8899
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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post
That's exactly my point, if the Abyss and HE1000 are not MUCH better than the HD800, i am wondering what justifies the price difference?

 

Does the price really have to be justified?  Companies can do what they damn well please..  Can't they?

post #2622 of 8899

Well yes, but if you buy a Toyota Corolloa, or a Ferrari, you know *for sure* you will get much higher performance from the Ferrari, and that justifies most of the price difference, in this case it's not clear if you are really getting any better *performance* from the Abyss and HE1000.

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Does the price really have to be justified?  Companies can do what they damn well please..  Can't they?

post #2623 of 8899

Yeah, I don't think people realize companies just don't price their products or undercut their competition ONLY based on how they perform against them. I mean all you have to do is look at Beats.

post #2624 of 8899

I hope this thing is gonna have hard hitting bass like the he-6. I have never heard a can with bass like he-6. this thing can crack your skull. bass is so tight and defined. I really hope the he1000 is gonna be like he-6 but on steroids. properly driven he-6 is a force of nature. I enjoy my time with my hd 800 but I miss my he-6 a lot. I hope he1000 is a worthy upgrade to the he-6. a cabled and modded he-6 is a beast of a pair of cans. soundwise he-6 is gonna be hard to top. he-6 is master of metal and trance music. hope he1000 is gonna prove to be equally adept at those genres and not just a pair of cans for lovers of the 9th symphony. no offense.

post #2625 of 8899
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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post

That's exactly my point, if the Abyss and HE1000 are not MUCH better than the HD800, i am wondering what justifies the price difference?

 

Gah. I have to go back to your posts and manually quote what you said.

 

You may have shrugged off my reply, but what I said is true, to an extent: you pay a premium for a certain type of sound, even if it's not objectively better. Even at $1,500, you've already well passed the threshold of diminishing returns. You can't expect linear jumps in overall performance. It's all about the qualities of sound you're looking for. Throw all the flagships headphones together and you'll have plenty of people who think one is clearly superior and the others suck, others who like them all for what they are, and a few who don't even like them for whatever reason.

 

What I like is when a more affordable headphone performs well. I can't believe how good my Sony MDR-7506 is for the price. (Just needs some EQ, like any headphone.)

 

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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post

Well yes, but if you buy a Toyota Corolloa, or a Ferrari, you know *for sure* you will get much higher performance from the Ferrari, and that justifies most of the price difference, in this case it's not clear if you are really getting any better *performance* from the Abyss and HE1000.

 

Performance on the race track, perhaps. You can't exactly race a supercar on a normal road.

 

Like I and others have covered in the past, it's all about performance in specific categories. It's too complex to say that one is better than the other.

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