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people are also referring to different things when talking about bass impact. is it the dynamics of the bass or the amount of emphasis bass or the bass reverb or the deepness of the bass extension or speed elements like attack/decay times or tightness/accuracy of the attack followed by a longer decay time or simply a particular emphasis on a particular frequency response region? Is it true-to-life realistic bass impact or largest sense of bass impact? all those things can factor into one's interpretation the "bass impact."

 

that's why there's no such thing as the "hardest hitting headphone of all time." you can't really isolate that specific bass quality without being influenced by other sonic features and factors that determines overall bass performance. i generally find "of all time" statements simply just to be a way to profess your subjective favorite in a more objective sounding way. imo ymmv


Edited by money4me247 - 3/22/15 at 4:06pm
post #2642 of 8588

why hifiman put to the he-1000 such awkward headband? why cant they do it like stax?  :triportsad: 


Edited by listen4joy - 3/22/15 at 4:07pm
post #2643 of 8588
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post
 

 

Lots of people are impressed by how much impact the Abyss and HE-6 have, even compared to closed headphones they've heard, so I feel that they should at least be tested and compared in that thread, even if they don't make the rankings. Just because a headphone is open doesn't mean it can't have a lot of impact. Anyway, I'm sure the SZ2K has more...too bad I have to wait weeks to receive it, since it's in such high demand and can only be imported from Japan.

 

 I got mine in a exactly a week in November. Was pretty awesome :biggrin:  Well, about the HE-6 and Abyss, I think budget is a concern too but I never asked. Also, anyone can make a headphone appear on the list as you do the video paper test. Why would he go into the effort of buying those headphones if they won't succeed in the paper test? if someone is confident in their HE-6 or other open headphone, they have to demonstrate the impact. I think the TH-900 and TH-600 made the list from other people's videos before his. So he's ready to give a chance to any headphone but not if he thinks they can't compete.


Edited by DreamKing - 3/22/15 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

people are also referring to different things when talking about bass impact. is it the dynamics of the bass or the amount of emphasis bass or the bass reverb or the deepness of the bass extension or speed elements like attack/decay times or tightness/accuracy of the attack followed by a longer decay time or simply a particular emphasis on a particular frequency response region? Is it true-to-life realistic bass impact or largest sense of bass impact? all those things can factor into one's interpretation the "bass impact."

 

that's why there's no such thing as the "hardest hitting headphone of all time." you can't really isolate that specific bass quality without being influenced by other sonic features and factors that determines overall bass performance. i generally find "of all time" statements simply just to be a way to profess your subjective favorite in a more objective sounding way. imo ymmv

 

The degree to which it slams against your head, documented via "paper" videos. Obviously not going after realism there, since the whole point of that thread was boosting the bass with the headphones and seeing what happens.

 

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Originally Posted by listen4joy View Post
 

why hifiman put to the he-1000 such awkward headband? why cant they do it like  stax?  :triportsad: 

 

Which STAX headband are you referring to? The HE-1000 headband is like a cross between the lower part of the SR-009 and upper part of the SR-007. I think the SR-009 headband looks ridiculous when being worn, since it sticks up above your head.

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Originally Posted by DreamKing View Post
 

 I got mine in a exactly a week in November. Was pretty awesome :biggrin:  Well, about the HE-6 and Abyss, I think budget is a concern too but I never asked. Also, anyone can make a headphone appear on the list as you do the video paper test. Why would he go into the effort of buying those headphones if they won't succeed in the paper test? if someone is confident in their HE-6 or other open headphone, they have to demonstrate the impact.

 

Lucky. Although I bought mine brand new from a seller who claimed to ship it on the same or next day, he told me that there are major delays and it will take a few weeks now. :'(

 

The burden of proof applied to the basshead and audiophile worlds. Me likey!

 

@Hawaiibadboy did tell me that he would be front row if I ever published a paper test with the Abyss...but how the heck are you supposed to do that when the ear pads are stuck so far apart?!

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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post
 

The degree to which it slams against your head, documented via "paper" videos. Obviously not going after realism there, since the whole point of that thread was boosting the bass with the headphones and seeing what happens.

"Paper" tests will just judge how much air the driver will move. larger drivers will move more air. also the variations in angles of the drivers to the piece of paper and the spot where he clamps will effect to what degree the paper swings back and forth.

 

it is an interesting approach to try to be objective about it, but I don't think it really works. also, with his test set-up, the closed headphones are not sealed anyway, so you can easily run the same test with open headphones & have them shake pieces of paper. I am sure there are headphones out there with terrible bass 'impact,' but diaphragm can move enough air to shake a piece of paper.

 

I do like how he tried to approach it in an objective manner though.


Edited by money4me247 - 3/22/15 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

"Paper" tests will just judge how much air the driver will move. larger drivers will move more air.

 

it is an interesting approach to try to be objective about it, but I don't think it really works. also, with his test set-up, the closed headphones are not sealed anyway, so you can easily run the same test with open headphones & have them shake pieces of paper.

 

I think the sealing of the back of the cup is the most important part. Until I see an open headphone push air like the closed ones do, I'm a skeptic. Larger drivers will move more air, yes but you won't feel it anywhere near what closed headphones do if the cup is open.


Edited by DreamKing - 3/22/15 at 4:19pm
post #2648 of 8588

ridiculous

 

 

 

 

 

more ridiculous

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the upper headband is need to be round not quadrangle. if you ask me i prefer the stax headband design but what i really want is 

one headband like the rest headphones well. abyss 1266 has this weird look too..

post #2649 of 8588

Well, if/when I get the AB-1266, HE-1000, or whatever, I will let everyone know how the impact compares to the JVC HA-SZ2000.

 

(I'm sure those high-end models have much better "qualities" of bass, at any rate.)

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ridiculous

 

more ridiculous

 

the upper headband is need to be round not quadrangle. if you ask me i prefer the stax headband design but what i really want is 

one headband like the rest headphones well. abyss 1266 has this weird look too..

 

You mean round like the new version already is?

 

post #2651 of 8588

you have a front shot?

post #2652 of 8588
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Originally Posted by listen4joy View Post
 

you have a front shot?

 

Oh...this.

 

 

Fair enough.


Edited by Music Alchemist - 3/22/15 at 4:34pm
post #2653 of 8588

its still not round you know (-:

post #2654 of 8588

i prefer them this way.

 

 

https://www.madooma.com/onTEAM/fotos/maxi/91371054047.jpg


Edited by listen4joy - 3/22/15 at 4:39pm
post #2655 of 8588

aww... that side pix got me excited for a sec. but it was just the camera angle.

 

I did propose rounded suspension design, but I think the angles probably distribute weight better and also that's the style of current Hifimans, so prob easier to make.

 

I don't really like the look of angled suspension design either. but for open headphones for home usage, it's not a deal-breaker.

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