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post #1021 of 1927
Rofl. Yeah I guess this is where "hand-crafted" indivually comes in.

Did you see the manual? It says that 12 o'clock is neutral? And that 5 o'clock is 15+ db.
Weird... I thought neutral would be 7 o'clock. It also says bass setting between 1 and 4 is recommended

Does this mean Layla can go minus 7.5 db of neutral?
post #1022 of 1927
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Rofl. Yeah I guess this is where "hand-crafted" indivually comes in.

Did you see the manual? It says that 12 o'clock is neutral? And that 5 o'clock is 15+ db.
Weird... I thought neutral would be 7 o'clock. It also says bass setting between 1 and 4 is recommended

Does this mean Layla can go minus 7.5 db of neutral?

I think you're reading that wrong. Dead neutral is 7 o'clock and max bass is at 5. I think...
post #1023 of 1927
Yeah that was my understanding too... From Jude's video.
Maybe the manual was written in a strange way or I'm not reading it right
post #1024 of 1927
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post


I think you're reading that wrong. Dead neutral is 7 o'clock and max bass is at 5. I think...

I agree with Macedonian Hero regarding the range between 7 and 5. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Rofl. Yeah I guess this is where "hand-crafted" individually comes in.

Lol so true... I don't know what kind of equipment your listening to with the Layla's...but I will share my tuning experience with you.  

I have the AK 240 connected to the Cord Hugo via optical cable.  I use the custom equalizer settings for each component I connect to the AK 240 (i.e. Fostex TH900's, SHURE SE-846's and so on).  It took me about two days to "dial-in" the sound signature I prefer with the Layla.  Considering other equipment I've had connected to this equipment pairing that was fast!  

 

Please note that the AK 240 with the EQ set in the "default off" mode or "without EQ" has significant boost and EQ!  

 

Yup a little trick the manufacture plays on us.  Based on my analysis of the AK 240 set in the "default "off" position, the boost is approximately +3db across each of the 10 frequency bands supplied with the 240.  In addition to boost, the "default off" EQ has a "mid-forward" design. To my musical ears the images are clearly more present and this may please some but it's at the cost of the sound stage being compressed and other issues. Again these techniques I don't personally prefer.  With the Layla I was able to mostly "tune out" the things I don't like including the default JH s"house sound signature" and generally compensate for the issues going on the AK 240 EQ already mentioned. 

 

The way I approach tuning is more detailed and for the purpose of this text I won't say too much except I tune all my EQ settings on the AK 240 first (across all 10 bands) and then "dial-in" the final bass adjustments using the JH Layla factory supplied cable with the two little pots. This way, I have only one place to make or adjust the bass boast at 60 Hz. I just go to the tiny pots based on particulars of a recording and if I'm "critical listening" vs. I'm just out to "enjoy the music"!

 

For the AK 240 my EQ settings are as follows:

 

30hz +1db, 60hz + 3db, 120hz +2db, 250hz+1.5db, 500hz +1db, 1khz +1.5db, 2khz +2.5db  4khz +2.0db, 8khz +3db, 16khz +1db     

 

For the Layla's I have both pots at:10:15 again for the sound signature I prefer with all the equipment I have "chained together" including the EQ settings on both the cable and the AK 240.  

 

I hope this helps

 

Sincerely,

-Speed 

post #1025 of 1927

Only boosts, no cuts on the eq? Looks like you boosted every band of that thing. And if I understood correctly, the sound of the device makes you think some areas are already boosted. Sorry, but I fail to understand the logic of these settings.

post #1026 of 1927
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Originally Posted by tumburu View Post
 

Only boosts, no cuts on the eq? Looks like you boosted every band of that thing. And if I understood correctly, the sound of the device makes you think some areas are already boosted. Sorry, but I fail to understand the logic of these settings.

Not sure if you have the AK 240... If I was simply looking at the numbers I guess you could draw that conclusion.  However that said, it's quite a bit "turned down" from the factory default EQ settings coupled with a significant reduction in the mid forward boost you get with the EQ in the default "off" position.

 

-Speed.   

post #1027 of 1927

Yeah enjoying the Layla with the bass pot at 10:30 now. That sounds pretty close to neutral for me, with just a hint of fun. The frequency balance is nothing short of art. So well done, the perfect balanced presentation that is refined and transparent at the same time.

 

I have about twenty hours on my Layla now and I find the sound keeps on changing. There was a period when everything kind of sounded confused/smeared (slightly) and after that point there was a period when it sounded sibillant/edgy while also being explosive, but now they're settling down and opening up and those two symptoms are gone. Looking forward to what they'll sound like after hundred hour mark.

post #1028 of 1927
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Yeah enjoying the Layla with the bass pot at 10:30 now. That sounds pretty close to neutral for me, with just a hint of fun. The frequency balance is nothing short of art. So well done, the perfect balanced presentation that is refined and transparent at the same time.

 

I have about twenty hours on my Layla now and I find the sound keeps on changing. There was a period when everything kind of sounded confused/smeared (slightly) and after that point there was a period when it sounded sibillant/edgy while also being explosive, but now they're settling down and opening up and those two symptoms are gone. Looking forward to what they'll sound like after hundred hour mark.

I will be very interested to hear your impression after 100 hours to see if there is some brightness in the upper mid range.  Someone return his Laylas because of this problem.

post #1029 of 1927
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Originally Posted by Jalo View Post
 

I will be very interested to hear your impression after 100 hours to see if there is some brightness in the upper mid range.  Someone return his Laylas because of this problem.

Sorry, but I've never had any experiences with burn-in and IEMs like the Layla's, Shure's or Westone's. I've got more than 100 hours easily and they still haven't changed one bit. :smile:

post #1030 of 1927

I know this is a Layla and Angie thread but maybe someone can help me out. I have seen someone selling Universal Roxanne for really cheap on another website. Are there any fakes being made of these. The same seller sold 1 other pair and also sold JH16 Universals, I have never seen a JH16 Universal unless they were reshelled by someone.

post #1031 of 1927

I'm curious if JH will update the Roxanne to the new style (steel wave guider tubes and overall shape of Layla). I see a lot of Roxanne discounts, but nothing crazy.

post #1032 of 1927

I doubt it. I prefer the balance of the new models but that's personal and the sig shouldn't be discounted. It's favored by many and you can have your fun with focus and clarity that others can't maintain with that sig.

post #1033 of 1927
I meant outside appearance. Nothing to do with "sig"
post #1034 of 1927

There has been a couple of Roxanne Universals on ebay going for about $900

post #1035 of 1927

Back to 12 o'clock for Layla. The bass felt neutral at 10 o'clock just a couple of days ago, but felt bass light suddenly as Layla has been burning in. Now 12 o'clock sounds like the old 10 o'clock. Basically neutral, maybe a hint of bass coloring, I'm far far from a bass head and love neutral studio reference sound, this feels just right.

 

Also took a close look at the manual:

 

1. Layla has a bass range of 15db of bass boost

 

2. 12 o'clock is +0db bass of neutral

 

so in conclusion Layla is capable of going -7.5db bass of neutral which is 7 o'clock.

 

Reference bass is at 12 o'clock.

 

I can see how Jude and others might have been confused but it kind of makes sense as there is no way I can accept +7.5db of bass boost and think it sounds great.


Edited by M-13 - 3/16/15 at 6:16am
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