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post #76 of 271
6/21/04 at 5:38am
Good review Lindrone. I just wanted to add that, on UE's website it states clearly that UE-10 Pro uses "The new high frequency driver has extended frequency response out to 16k with no EQ". It appears it's not the same as the UE-5c.

But coming back to Lindrone's review. Great job, really.
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post #77 of 271
6/21/04 at 7:10am

OK I'm sorta convinced

Hi Lindrone,

Thank you for the excellent review. I've bitten the bullet and am having ear impressions made on Wednesday. So at the moment I'm torn between the UE10 and the 2XS, currently leaning in favour of the 2XS.

I've e-mailed Sensaphonics for a few details about ordering from the UK, and if I get a response, I'll order them.

I can't ring on a toll free number from here so one of my requests is for a regular number.

If I do not get a response, as other forum members have experienced, then I'll be forced to go for UE10's, although my gut feeling is that sensas are more suitable for me.

However, thanks to your excellent comparison, I'm sure I'll be delighted with whichever unit I end up with.

regards

John
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post #78 of 271
6/21/04 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by John Reeves
Hi Lindrone,

Thank you for the excellent review. I've bitten the bullet and am having ear impressions made on Wednesday. So at the moment I'm torn between the UE10 and the 2XS, currently leaning in favour of the 2XS.

I've e-mailed Sensaphonics for a few details about ordering from the UK, and if I get a response, I'll order them.

I can't ring on a toll free number from here so one of my requests is for a regular number.

If I do not get a response, as other forum members have experienced, then I'll be forced to go for UE10's, although my gut feeling is that sensas are more suitable for me.

However, thanks to your excellent comparison, I'm sure I'll be delighted with whichever unit I end up with.

regards

John
Maybe there is a Head-Fier in the US who would be kind enough to contact Sensaphonics on your behalf and pass on your details or get a different contact number?
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post #79 of 271
6/21/04 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by John Reeves
I've e-mailed Sensaphonics for a few details about ordering from the UK, and if I get a response, I'll order them.
Keep it simple for "internet challenged people". Just state clearly:

you want the product.

How much for the shipping.

where to send the money.

where to send the ear prints.
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post #80 of 271
6/21/04 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by gorman
Good review Lindrone. I just wanted to add that, on UE's website it states clearly that UE-10 Pro uses "The new high frequency driver has extended frequency response out to 16k with no EQ". It appears it's not the same as the UE-5c.

But coming back to Lindrone's review. Great job, really.
The 5C also has extended frequency response out to 16k with no EQ.................................

http://www.ultimateears.com/graphics...E5c_vs_E5c.jpg

Look at the frequency response plot

I will be checking with Jerry today. For what is worth, your logic is wrong here. You could still be right, but your logic is wrong. Just because A implies B, it does not mean that C implies D instead of C implied E. Do you get me? Consider how often websites get updated and how accurate information gets on websites.

Unless Jerry lied to me, my understanding is that both products use the same high driver.
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post #81 of 271
6/21/04 at 8:24am
Am I incorrect here to say that the prophonics does not have a user replaceable cable and as a result it looks cleaner on in the ear? The clean look is nice, but not being able to replace the cable would suck since just about every other manufacturer (westone, ultimate, futuresonics) of IEMs makes their stuff with replaceable cables. Cables do go bad.
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post #82 of 271
6/21/04 at 8:45am
On the issue of Ipodlounge's reviews of the UE10Pro and the UE5c -- they were in fact reviewed by two different people. Jeremy Horowitz reviewed the UE10Pro, and Dennis Lloyd the UE5c. So we still can't draw any definitive comparative conclusions between them.

HRA has heard the UE10Pro and the UE5Pro -- not the UE5c. Both the UE5Pro and UE5c have the same drivers but they are tuned differently. Presumably the UE5Pro has a more forward midrange consistent with its intended use by pro musicians.

So I believe the only living soul who's heard both the UE10Pro and the UE5c is Jerry at UE. Since one is a lot more expensive than the other, and therefore more profitable to UE, I take his recommendation of the cheaper model for recorded music as a ringing endorsement. The UE10Pro is probably better in an absolute sense, of course -- three drivers vs two -- but it remains to be seen if it is $400 better for those of us who are not musicians. Since I am not a profesional singer (and even gave up air guitar some years ago ) I had no problem deciding that the UE5c was probably a better choice for my purposes -- $400 better!
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post #83 of 271
6/21/04 at 9:52am
http://www.sensaphonics.com/soft2x.html

It appears indeed that the Prophonics 2X-S has a permanent teflon coated cord.

UE-10 Pro come to papa!
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post #84 of 271
6/21/04 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by DJGeorgeT
Look at the frequency response plot.
I did and they are not equal. UE5c appears to lose more response above 8KHz than UE-10... I do not think that UE-10 are $400 better than UE-5c, but logic suggests me that UE is pricing higher the better product of the two... I don't think there's much of an argument here, isn't there it? Otherwise, they would be downright crazy...
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post #85 of 271
6/21/04 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by gorman
I did and they are not equal. UE5c appears to lose more response above 8KHz than UE-10... I do not think that UE-10 are $400 better than UE-5c, but logic suggests me that UE is pricing higher the better product of the two... I don't think there's much of an argument here, isn't there it? Otherwise, they would be downright crazy...
the UE-10 Pro is more expensive because it has an additional headroom in the combined contribution of two low frequency drivers. It provides about 8dB additional headroom than the dual drivers in the UE lineup. Of course it is going to be more expensive.

The real question is, are you using your IEM to monitor live audio and do require the additional headroom? If you are just iPoding, it seems to me that you did not pay to much attention to the law of diminished returns. I do believe however that having headroom is a good thing, but $400 for additional headroom is....well....

Having said that, I am looking at the freq plots and I see no difference between the 5C and 10 Pro high freq response.

UE still not open at this time. Too early in the morning. I am gonna check in with Jerry.
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post #86 of 271
6/21/04 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by DJGeorgeT
If you are just iPoding, it seems to me that you did not pay to much attention to the law of diminished returns. I do believe however that having headroom is a good thing, but $400 for additional headroom is....well....
I did not pay attention to the law of diminishing return, you are definitely right. I know myself and I knew that, sooner or later, I would have started getting that nasty, nagging feeling about "would the UE-10 be better?". So I decided to aim for the (supposedly) best and leave it at that.
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Having said that, I am looking at the freq plots and I see no difference between the 5C and 10 Pro high freq response.
There is some difference. Note how the UE-10 never go below -5db between 8KHz and 16KHz, while the UE-5c do.
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UE still not open at this time. Too early in the morning. I am gonna check in with Jerry.
Keep us informed.
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post #87 of 271
6/21/04 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by DJGeorgeT
Am I incorrect here to say that the prophonics does not have a user replaceable cable and as a result it looks cleaner on in the ear? The clean look is nice, but not being able to replace the cable would suck since just about every other manufacturer (westone, ultimate, futuresonics) of IEMs makes their stuff with replaceable cables. Cables do go bad.
Did you not read the review carefully? I mentioned this in the first section of the review, pretty extensively.

Cables go bad as often as any other headphone cable go bad, probably even less than that.. it's a much better cable than typical headphone cable. I've yet had a single headphone cable go bad on me. It may eventually happen to one of the headphone you own (may not necessarily be this one), but to assume that it will definitely happen is an overstatement.

Sensa chose the design for the aesthetics, definitely. The company will still do repairs on the cables, you just have to send it back to them. No different than having to service filters or anything like that.
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post #88 of 271
6/21/04 at 11:16am
Lindrone, your review is informative and enjoyable as well, thanks for doing an excellent job and giving so much to the head-fi community!

Heres one question that's in my mind for quite long ever since the Ety's emerged out of nowhere. I don't know if anyone asked you this before, but how does the CD3000 compare to the UE10 pro and the Sensaphonics (not to mention the Shures and Ety's)? It seems that you like the canalphones much more, but I see you still keep the CD3000's. Is the CD3000 here just for soundstage pleasure?

So, can you tell me the reason why you'd choose the canalphones over the CD3000 or vice versa?

Thanks in advance, as I'm having a difficult time in choosing my next upgrade, and all the newly seen canalphones are making my choice much harder.
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post #89 of 271
6/21/04 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by lindrone
Did you not read the review carefully? I mentioned this in the first section of the review, pretty extensively.
No I did NOT read your whole review, because it is quite long. I just read your description about the sound of the two products.

My preference is to go with a product with replaceable cord and that is the UE-10 Pro.
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post #90 of 271
6/21/04 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by DJGeorgeT
No I did NOT read your whole review, because it is quite long. I just read your description about the sound of the two products.

My preference is to go with a product with replaceable cord and that is the UE-10 Pro.
You've completely missed Lindrone's point as the Sensa cable is replaceable too. Just half way down the cable, not at the earpiece.
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