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Originally Posted by kevin gilmore View Post

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Is this not exactly what I said would happen?  "POINT ME TO THE SCIENCE" *points him to the science* "I DON'T CARE I'M BUYING ONE ANYWAY"


If all there is to it, is a straight through connection, and the wire is 1 square millimetre CSA, at 23 ohms per kilometre, 5cm of wire is about 1 thousandth of an ohm tongue.gif
From the pictures, the diameter of the wire sure looks to be #20 to #22 gauge.  So significantly less than 1 square millimeter.
Plus the really poor solder joints. So a higher resistance than quoted. The poor solder job is probably part of the magic sauce.

In the future, I have a lab full of analytical instruments. And I'm more than happy
and capable of using them.

Every kind of Mass Spec you could possibly imagine including ICPMS
A high resolution bruker FTIR with diamond film ATR
3 different raman spectrometers
9 different NMR's including a solids unit perfect for quartz like things
and 3 different high power Xray crystallography instruments also
perfect for crystals of all sizes.

Analyzing stuff like this is rather trivial

Do the post doc chemists you support need all that equipment in their lab?!? Awesome! That's a wider array than most universities have on hand.
post #662 of 712
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Perhaps you don't know what you are looking at. I would be happy to explain it to you. This is an inert plug extender. Two jacks with three wires between them. There is nothing in the signal path that could possibly alter it, for good or worse. Plugging this in would give the same sound as not plugging it in. It operates on the scientific principle of expectation bias. It is a placebo machine.

 

If you don't understand any of that, I would be happy to slow down and explain so you can understand.

Sure.

Go ahead and explain.

I appreciate your concern.

I really don't mean to start/prolong a row on this thread.  

But even you must admit how readily apparent this thread's biases are.  It comes off as condescending to us dim wits with no scientific breeding.


Edited by pataburd - 11/25/14 at 9:12pm
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Perhaps you don't know what you are looking at. I would be happy to explain it to you. This is an inert plug extender. Two jacks with three wires between them. There is nothing in the signal path that could possibly alter it, for good or worse. Plugging this in would give the same sound as not plugging it in. It operates on the scientific principle of expectation bias. It is a placebo machine.

 

If you don't understand any of that, I would be happy to slow down and explain so you can understand.

Sure.

Go ahead and explain.

I appreciate your concern.

I really don't mean to start/prolong a row on this thread.  

But even you must admit how readily apparent this thread's biases are.  It comes off as condescending to us dim wits with no scientific breeding.


LOL if I may.

step1: see a plug that has no reason to do something good because there is nothing that should be between an amp and a headphone.

step2: see the very usual marketing tricks and real technical spec avoidance of the website.

step3: see the HOT opened with not even a crappy resistor+capacitor in it to pretend it's doing something.

step4: have analysis of the sand and learn that it pretty much is.

step5: have a guy who claims proudly he didn't read the topic, tell us we are biased for thinking this plug is BS in a can.

 

 

yup it is pretty funny.

post #664 of 712
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Oh, I was only joking, didn't intend to sound disrespectful.

Sorry.

 

Yeah, I know, don't worry. I mentioned it in a "in case you didn't know" kind of way, not in a "bow before the king" way.

 

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step1: see a plug that has no reason to do something good because there is nothing that should be between an amp and a headphone.

 

I prefer at least having a headphone cable to connect to the source components. :p

post #665 of 712
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post

 
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Originally Posted by castleofargh View Post
 

step1: see a plug that has no reason to do something good because there is nothing that should be between an amp and a headphone.

 

I prefer at least having a headphone cable to connect to the source components. :p

I just imagined having 2 monoblocks hanging out of each side of the headphone, and holding somehow onto some extra length of the drivers coil ^_^.

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Cableist philistines. I prefer quad filtered air with precise thermal conditioning for that all natural sound.
post #667 of 712
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Originally Posted by kevin gilmore View Post
 

From the pictures, the diameter of the wire sure looks to be #20 to #22 gauge.  So significantly less than 1 square millimeter.

Plus the really poor solder joints. So a higher resistance than quoted. The poor solder job is probably part of the magic sauce.

 

In the future, I have a lab full of analytical instruments. And I'm more than happy

and capable of using them.

 

Every kind of Mass Spec you could possibly imagine including ICPMS

A high resolution bruker FTIR with diamond film ATR

3 different raman spectrometers

9 different NMR's including a solids unit perfect for quartz like things

and 3 different high power Xray crystallography instruments also

perfect for crystals of all sizes.

 

Analyzing stuff like this is rather trivial

Yeah I realise the joins will have a higher resistance than the wire etc etc.  That comment was not meant to be taken too seriously, hence the smiley face with it's tongue poking out.


Edited by mulder01 - 11/26/14 at 1:17am
post #668 of 712

Guys I was thinking of going into business selling power cables.  What do you think I could get for this?

 

 

 

FEATURES:

- Male and female ends connected by 3 wires!

- ...Unlikely to be carcinogenic!

 

(pictured with optional isolation base)

post #669 of 712
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post

 

I'm pretty sure this was inspired by our private conversation. XD

post #670 of 712
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post
 

 

I'm pretty sure this was inspired by our private conversation. XD

haha yes.  Did I mention that I think neither the HOT, nor placing your power board on an iso base will make your system sound better?  ESPECIALLY the latter of those two things :P

post #671 of 712
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haha yes.  Did I mention that I think neither the HOT, nor placing your power board on an iso base will make your system sound better?  ESPECIALLY the latter of those two things :P

 

I had no idea you felt that way. :rolleyes::floatsmile:

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Kevin, we are pretty well-equipped as well. If there's anything pertinent that you think I missed, please let me know. I think the SEM/EDX and FT-IR results pretty much nailed things down from the materials end. From the electrical side, we have the usual array of spectrum and network analyzers, as well as audio-specific test gear. It seems like overkill, but if we're going to call someone a fraud, it's good to have the data in hand to back it up. 

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No reason  not to go to extremes in the testing of this thing

if for no other reason than to test out your test gear.

 

I do also have access to a pair of STEM's just for fun

and to see if the silver is single crystal or not.

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Heh, I test my test gear daily. For some reason, we seem to use it for real research. ;) This is after-hours stuff.

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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post

Yeah, I know, don't worry. I mentioned it in a "in case you didn't know" kind of way, not in a "bow before the king" way.

smily_headphones1.gif

Steve Eddy has kindly mentioned a laymans version of the upcoming HOT electrical test results so I think that will be great for readers (like me) to understand too! smily_headphones1.gif

On a side note, its seems apparent to me that between HOT subjective "believers" for use of a better word and science objective critics, there is no "middle ground" and don't think such is actually possible?

Just my thoughts on this ever interesting thread of HOT topic smily_headphones1.gif
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