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post #781 of 1307
Forgot to mention, I think this will be a nice comment to your setup for another reason @Mcgeggy.

Sony is known for leaner, more transparent sound. This could emphasize the high end on your Altones.

The E12A is known for a smooth high end (but not lacking in details). This would help tame the high end on your Altones.

With this combo, you should have a nice lean combo with A17 -> Altone and a richer / warmer combo with A17 -> E12A -> Altones.

And since it should be a leaner sounding DAP, I wouldn't worry too much about double amping with the A17 wink.gif.
post #782 of 1307
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post

Forgot to mention, I think this will be a nice comment to your setup for another reason @Mcgeggy.

Sony is known for leaner, more transparent sound. This could emphasize the high end on your Altones.

The E12A is known for a smooth high end (but not lacking in details). This would help tame the high end on your Altones.

With this combo, you should have a nice lean combo with A17 -> Altone and a richer / warmer combo with A17 -> E12A -> Altones.

And since it should be a leaner sounding DAP, I wouldn't worry too much about double amping with the A17 wink.gif.

Thanks for the guidance! I'm not entirely opposed to exchanging the A17 for a different dap. But I thought maybe I should try amping it first.

So, just to make sure I understand, if I went with the E12a, I could use the headphone out into the E12a and it might not be that bad (double amping). But if I used the fiio L5 connection, it would be better. The E12a is an amp only (no dac), correct?

I also think the E12a would sit well under the A17 and not be too clunky.

I had been looking at other amp/amp dacs, like the Cayin C5, Leckerton UHA-6S.MKII or UHA-4, iBasso D-Zero MK2, and even the Topping NX1.

But I like that the E12a is designed for iems, which is mostly what I listen to. Although in the near future I would like to start checking out some full size portable headphones too...

Thanks!
post #783 of 1307
HO would probably be ok, but of course using the LOD would be better smily_headphones1.gif

Out of the amps you mentioned, I've owned E12A and Cayin C5. I still own the E12A. The C5 was very hard for me to use with IEM due to low gain being too powerful. It was blasting out my ears with hardly any movement on the volume pot. And I found the C5's bass boost was too broad spectrum, warming up the sound instead of just boosting lower bass. Not for me, but plenty of people rave about the C5.

E12A is fine with a lot of full size HP - especially those you'd be most likely to use on the go. If you're trying to drive monsters, you'll probably be stationary and can go for a more suitable desktop amp.
post #784 of 1307
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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post
 

i would totally recommend e12a, if it can work with the line out. 

 

If you connect it to a headphone out, it sounds a little muffled.

 

I would strongly advice for a fiio x3II+e12a. It is a heaven for sound, and you get most of SQ that is possible.

 

I use a fiio x5+e12a, and consider x3II a very very nice substitute for x5, if you want to spend less.

 

 

 

This amp is extremely under-rated by most people, and it is a pity, it sounds worlds of a difference from any other amp, it is in a class of it's own. 


i concur. i use an X3 LO into E12 for use with my HD600's.  i also use the LO into my home stereo, car stereo, & bedroom stereo. in every case i find that bypassing the X3 amp sounds better than the HO. i imagine i would have the same opinion with the X3ii, X5, and virutally any DAP in the more affordable price range, even though i haven't heard any of these others in person. i don't say this out of prejudice, but based on the practical reality that an external amp will just about always be somewhat better than a small DAP's internal amp. i actually started a thread asking whether people here think that ANY DAP can compete with a decent external amp but i didn't get very many responses. perhaps there are some high dollar exceptions, but since i don't plan to ever spend $1000+ on a DAP then i feel pretty confident that i'm not wasting my effort in carrying my stack around.

 

i will add that i have a sneaking suspicion that the difference between most DAPs significantly narrows when you use them all line out, at least from a SQ perspective. and in that case cost, features and UI are perhaps the only real consideration when choosing a among them. but again this is pure speculation. i'd be interested to hear from folks more experienced than i am about this hypothesis.


Edited by bzippy - 4/13/15 at 10:46am
post #785 of 1307
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post

HO would probably be ok, but of course using the LOD would be better smily_headphones1.gif

Out of the amps you mentioned, I've owned E12A and Cayin C5. I still own the E12A. The C5 was very hard for me to use with IEM due to low gain being too powerful. It was blasting out my ears with hardly any movement on the volume pot. And I found the C5's bass boost was too broad spectrum, warming up the sound instead of just boosting lower bass. Not for me, but plenty of people rave about the C5.

E12A is fine with a lot of full size HP - especially those you'd be most likely to use on the go. If you're trying to drive monsters, you'll probably be stationary and can go for a more suitable desktop amp.

Sounds good, the E12a seems to be the one to try first!
post #786 of 1307
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Originally Posted by Mcgeggy View Post


Sounds good, the E12a seems to be the one to try first!

 

It really is a great amp, and the price is right.

post #787 of 1307
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Originally Posted by bzippy View Post


i concur. i use an X3 LO into E12 for use with my HD600's.  i also use the LO into my home stereo, car stereo, & bedroom stereo. in every case i find that bypassing the X3 amp sounds better than the HO. i imagine i would have the same opinion with the X3ii, X5, and virutally any DAP in the more affordable price range, even though i haven't heard any of these others in person. i don't say this out of prejudice, but based on the practical reality that an external amp will just about always be somewhat better than a small DAP's internal amp. i actually started a thread asking whether people here think that ANY DAP can compete with a decent external amp but i didn't get very many responses. perhaps there are some high dollar exceptions, but since i don't plan to ever spend $1000+ on a DAP then i feel pretty confident that i'm not wasting my effort in carrying my stack around.

i will add that i have a sneaking suspicion that the difference between most DAPs significantly narrows when you use them all line out, at least from a SQ perspective. and in that case cost, features and UI are perhaps the only real consideration when choosing a among them. but again this is pure speculation. i'd be interested to hear from folks more experienced than i am about this hypothesis.

It seemed to me that the ibasso DX-100 was considered to be very good w/o needing an separate amp, at least in so far as the range of phones it was able to cleanly drive. I came very close to grabbing one here on the classifieds before deciding on the A17.

I also was under the impression that the type of dac also had a big impact on sound quality along with the amp?
post #788 of 1307
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Originally Posted by bzippy View Post
 


i concur. i use an X3 LO into E12 for use with my HD600's.  i also use the LO into my home stereo, car stereo, & bedroom stereo. in every case i find that bypassing the X3 amp sounds better than the HO. i imagine i would have the same opinion with the X3ii, X5, and virutally any DAP in the more affordable price range, even though i haven't heard any of these others in person. i don't say this out of prejudice, but based on the practical reality that an external amp will just about always be somewhat better than a small DAP's internal amp. i actually started a thread asking whether people here think that ANY DAP can compete with a decent external amp but i didn't get very many responses. perhaps there are some high dollar exceptions, but since i don't plan to ever spend $1000+ on a DAP then i feel pretty confident that i'm not wasting my effort in carrying my stack around.

 

i will add that i have a sneaking suspicion that the difference between most DAPs significantly narrows when you use them all line out, at least from a SQ perspective. and in that case cost, features and UI are perhaps the only real consideration when choosing a among them. but again this is pure speculation. i'd be interested to hear from folks more experienced than i am about this hypothesis.

there certainly is ak240, but i highly doubt that it sounds better alone than a x5+e12a stack. when comparing, i compared x5+e12a stack to ifi idsd and chord hugo. i considered x5+e12a extremley close to hugo.

 

It is totally worth carrying a stack.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mcgeggy View Post


It seemed to me that the ibasso DX-100 was considered to be very good w/o needing an separate amp, at least in so far as the range of phones it was able to cleanly drive. I came very close to grabbing one here on the classifieds before deciding on the A17.

I also was under the impression that the type of dac also had a big impact on sound quality along with the amp?

both the DAC and the AMP have an impact on the sound. The weakest link in the chain brings the entire chain down.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mcgeggy View Post


Thanks for the guidance! I'm not entirely opposed to exchanging the A17 for a different dap. But I thought maybe I should try amping it first.

So, just to make sure I understand, if I went with the E12a, I could use the headphone out into the E12a and it might not be that bad (double amping). But if I used the fiio L5 connection, it would be better. The E12a is an amp only (no dac), correct?

I also think the E12a would sit well under the A17 and not be too clunky.

I had been looking at other amp/amp dacs, like the Cayin C5, Leckerton UHA-6S.MKII or UHA-4, iBasso D-Zero MK2, and even the Topping NX1.

But I like that the E12a is designed for iems, which is mostly what I listen to. Although in the near future I would like to start checking out some full size portable headphones too...

Thanks!

i would like to repead this, but using headphone out instead of line out degrades the sound by quite a margin. With x5, at least, preffered using line out by a margin to headphone out to e12a.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mcgeggy View Post


So the 2nd generation X3, that now has the scroll wheel? Maybe that by itself would have better SQ than the A17? Although I do like the internal 64 gb storage and Bluetooth of the A17...

Thanks for the quick reply!
 
the second generation of x3, is not e12a. the sound is very different, i think that your a17+e12a will be the better option. x3II is great for changing your a17, because it has a line out, but you might also like a17 better, i have no ideea how it sounds. 
 
just technically it could be better because it has a line out, but you might like a17 better. i recommend to test it before.
 
 
 
 
 

i think that i am going to review e12a in depth, this is how much i really like it! I already did so in romanian for the store from which i had bought it.

post #789 of 1307

Skerry, have you tried a silver interconnect cable for x5 to e12a? I have heard it is very nice, I should have one coming soon.

post #790 of 1307
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Originally Posted by bavinck View Post
 

Skerry, have you tried a silver interconnect cable for x5 to e12a? I have heard it is very nice, I should have one coming soon.

i am not sure. i tried fiio interconnects, i will buy one as soon as it will be alavaible again.

the SQ was the same in my experience, but i do not trust the original one to take a beating.

Also, i like the straight one much better. the L shaped one is very akward for keeping in pocket. I have this thing, even within a case, the straight one could fit better than the L shaped one.

I will see after i buy something to hold my stack in. i might use the advice of buying a photo camera carry thing, then i will see if i would like the L shaped fiio interconnect better.

 

In my experience, as i have normal headphone cables, and not the headphones i want, i do not think that an interconnect is the right place to invest money. when testing i could not hear a difference between interconnects, but, again, for me hugo and x5+e12a sounded very close, at least in frequency response, so i might not be that sensitive to these type of details. e12a sounded like a big improvement from x5 though.

post #791 of 1307

Have you tested a silver (material) interconnect? I don't think fiio makes one....

post #792 of 1307

Out of curiosity, how many of you use the bass boost feature on the e12a regularly?

post #793 of 1307
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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post
 

there certainly is ak240, but i highly doubt that it sounds better alone than a x5+e12a stack. when comparing, i compared x5+e12a stack to ifi idsd and chord hugo. i considered x5+e12a extremley close to hugo.

 

It is totally worth carrying a stack.

 

 

both the DAC and the AMP have an impact on the sound. The weakest link in the chain brings the entire chain down.

 

 

i would like to repead this, but using headphone out instead of line out degrades the sound by quite a margin. With x5, at least, preffered using line out by a margin to headphone out to e12a.

 

 

i think that i am going to review e12a in depth, this is how much i really like it! I already did so in romanian for the store from which i had bought it.


Thanks, this helps clarify for me!

post #794 of 1307
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Originally Posted by bavinck View Post
 

Out of curiosity, how many of you use the bass boost feature on the e12a regularly?

i use it regulary, with ultrasone dj one pro and sennheiser ie8.This is very ironic, i use EQ on x5 to lower the bass with ie8, making 125hz go at -6DB, but use the bass bots on e12a.

 

 

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Originally Posted by bavinck View Post
 

Have you tested a silver (material) interconnect? I don't think fiio makes one....

sorry, i did not. I do not think that there are any interconnects besists fiio ones that i can test in person.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mcgeggy View Post
 


Thanks, this helps clarify for me!

i am very happy if i can help!

post #795 of 1307
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Originally Posted by bavinck View Post
 

Out of curiosity, how many of you use the bass boost feature on the e12a regularly?

I find the bass boost helps my grado out nicely. However I don't use it with my iems or other phones.

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