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The new A16 is small , looks like a piece of gum on top of PHA3 rolleyes.gif

My whole package completed, enjoying the sound they delivered, and is a huge improvement over my old ZX1 + XBA40 smily_headphones1.gif
The PHA3 is a hot baby, that unibody also acts as heat sink, and I think this unibody looks good to me wink.gif

Edited by musicdragoon - 11/2/14 at 3:40am
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I prefer the design of the PHA-1 and PHA-2, though. But the PHA-3 sure looks huge. Or is the DAP a little too small?


Nah, the Pha-3 is a little big. I can't imagine walking around with something that size unless I'm wearing a jacket. 

 

It looks more suited for home use than a daily commute.

 

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Originally Posted by musicdragoon View Post

The new A16 is small , looks like a piece of gum on top of PHA3 rolleyes.gif

My whole package completed, enjoying the sound they delivered, and is a huge improvement over my old ZX1 + XBA40 smily_headphones1.gif
The PHA3 is a hot baby, that unibody also acts as heat sink, and I think this unibody looks good to me wink.gif

so we're here talking about slightly pregnant treble and you have the z5's in front of you and have yet to post your impressions or write a review!? cmon brotha get on it! :beerchug:

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So anyone tried A1??

I am getting it for 92$ in india,,,need some impressions

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Nah, the Pha-3 is a little big. I can't imagine walking around with something that size unless I'm wearing a jacket. 

 

It looks more suited for home use than a daily commute.

 

 

Yeah, I've looked at more pictures, and damn, it's huge. Looks like this guy is enjoying carrying his PHA-3 around, though. :D

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by xedjflowx View Post
 

so we're here talking about slightly pregnant treble and you have the z5's in front of you and have yet to post your impressions or write a review!? cmon brotha get on it! :beerchug:

 

Seconded! We need more eloquent, err.. memorable reviews!

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At the request of Kunlun, I spent a few hours listening to the Z5 this afternoon along with the Sennheiser IE800 and a few other Sony models - EX1000, H3 and 7550. After that, I broke out the Roxanne UF and FitEar 334 just for fun. It was quite enlightening.

 

Some things I learned:

 

1. Sony can make really good dynamic drivers

2. The Sony models are more alike than they are different and I really like all of them.

3. I really don't care for the IE800.

4. There is a good reason that some IEMs are priced at over $1000.

 

I listened to a variety of 16/44 and 24/96 tracks, mostly acoustic, from an AK100/Vorzuge Pure II combo. 

 

I had forgotten how good the EX1000 is. Excellent bass, good detail, very natural sounding strings and vocals. Since I'm over 50, I have enough high-frequency loss (mild) to render the EX1000 treble quite bearable.

 

The H3 adds a bit more bass and has even more detail. The H3 is quite a bit bigger physically  and makes the EX1000 look positively svelte. The bass decays a bit slower that the EX1000.

 

The Z5 adds a little more of everything - more detail, more and deeper bass, but the bass decays even more slowly than the H3. I only have about 75 hours on the Z5, so it might still tighten up a bit. It's not sloppy, just BIG. 

 

The 7550 is very similar to the EX1000, but smoother, especially in the treble. This is the one for long listening sessions.

 

You can really tell that the Sony models are all of the same family when you compare them with something else. The IE800 sounds like it is from a different planet.

 

The IE800 bass is almost over-controlled compared to the Sonys. Very fast decay. The midrange doesn't sound as natural to me, especially vocals, which sound a bit thin. The IE800 sounded much less spacious and airy than the Sony models. Almost like listening in a dead room. It even manages to have worse ergonomics than the Sonys and that's saying a lot.

 

So, just to bring some perspective, I dug out the Roxanne UF and FitEar 334. Both of them are in a different league than the Sonys and IE800. Deep controlled bass, great detail, while still having a very natural tonality.

 

For the music that I listened to today, I preferred the 334 to the Roxanne. The Sonys were all very good, just not in the same league. The IE800 is going up for sale.

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Lengthier decay than the H3? Yikes. The H3 had quite a bit more (mid)bass than the EX1000 when I compared the two. The Ex1K is very flat in the bass.
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Great impressions, but to be honest your description of the IE800 is just very different from my experience. Are you getting a perfect seal with those bad boys?

 

I guess everyone hears differently, but from my end the IE800 is quite excellent, especially compared to somthing like the H3

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I also have the same impression as BRCMRGN with the IE800 compared to the H3. It just sounds too thin for me on vocals .. I love the H3 much much more .. my IE800 are also going up for sale as well.

 

My IE800 sounded fairly good on my iphone4 but on the iphone6 it sounds really bad as it takes out the mids even more but H3 sound marvelous on it for some reason.

 

Can't wait till December to get the Z5 in Hong Kong. Now I want to paint my H3 semi-gloss black :)

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I see... my positive impressions of the IE800 come from using it with the DX90 and X5. Not sure what they sound like out of a phone. They are more difficult to drive than some might think as I have to use similar gain on amp on those DAPs as I do for full-sized headphones.

 

My thoughts on the H3 were that they sounded a bit muddy, especially in the bass with those long long decays. A little over done for my own tastes, also lacked the details and clarity I get with something like the IE800. I think I prefer the Westone 4R and UE900 to the H3 and I consider both to be mid-tier and not really at the level of detail/extension/dynamic slam of the IE800. The soundscape of the IE800 is so much bigger/airy and the tonal balance is much more neutral (although there is sub-bass emphasis, this is much better than mid-bass emphasis for me)


Edited by M-13 - 11/2/14 at 8:36pm
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I do know that the X5 is a warmer player .. maybe that's the difference. I mainly use a O2+ODAC and it's clean as ... same as the iphone 4.

Still for me, even though I think the IE800 and H3 have similar tonality out of my O2, I still like the more solid/fuller sound from the H3.

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I do know that the X5 is a warmer player .. maybe that's the difference. I mainly use a O2+ODAC and it's clean as ... same as the iphone 4.

Still for me, even though I think the IE800 and H3 have similar tonality out of my O2, I still like the more solid/fuller sound from the H3.


Yeah we probably can't figure out what each is hearing unless we do a mini-meet or somthing and maybe not even then :beerchug:

The great thing about this hobby is that everyone has options for different IEMs and amp/dac/dap combos.

 

I just like sharing my own experience but do understand that many will not share the same experience because of many many factors we can't control.

 

You should definitely sell your IE800 if it's giving you worse performance than the H3. I wish I was in your shoes cuz I could have saved some money.

 

There are lots of shops around me now with the Z5 to audition. So I'll probably get to hear it this weekend or something, along with the Z7.

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My thoughts on the H3 were that they sounded a bit muddy, especially in the bass with those long long decays.

H3 do requier good quality amplification - to get a well controlled, clean and tight bass from H3 I could with an external amp only - C5 in my case.

Plus 300-400 hours of burn-in, at least.


Edited by qsk78 - 11/2/14 at 9:31pm
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Yeah I'm not trying to bad-mouth the H3. I think it performs well in its own price bracket of $300 or so, competive against others near that range, like the UE900 and W4R, and SE535. I just thought the really terrible opinions of the IE800 was odd or saying it was worse than the H3, cuz my experience with the IE800 has been jaw-dropping impressed, beyond that of IEMs in that price bracket by a good margin. That's all.

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H3 do requier good quality amplification - to get a well controlled, clean and tight bass from H3 I could with an external amp only - C5 in my case.

Plus 300-400 hours of burn-in, at least.

I'm sorry, but if a headphone requires 300-400 hours of burn in, it's not worth the money. That's potentially over 16 days. No headphone is worth that hassle. 

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