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post #136 of 3484
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

They definitely have a lag issue. If you have a Mac, try something out. Use the media keys to pause and resume. I've had delays of up to 20 seconds between hitting the button and it actually responding. 

 

That is most likely a local issue or something related to your connection to Tidal's streaming service.  I am using a cheap Chromebook and my pause and resume key is the space bar with the Chrome browser.  It seems very responsive and I have no issues. Nothing like what you are reporting.  I have a Comcast 105/10 connection and everything seems to work as expected with no delays.  I realize this service does not have gapless playback abilities, but a couple of tests with Dark Side of the Moon and some Moody Blues (Have Your Heard)  are not too bad without gapless, so my connection seems very good.  Settings are for FLAC and the HIFI indicator has been lit the entire time.

post #137 of 3484
I have no delays for buffering, but find a lot of music I like is not carried also a lot is not in HIFI
Like the sound quality, but may give it up after this month because of the issue mentioned and go back t spotify and try again in a few months to see if it has grown up
I Think they will have trouble staying in business if they don't adjust the price until the problems are worked out
post #138 of 3484
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

I have no delays for buffering, but find a lot of music I like is not carried also a lot is not in HIFI
Like the sound quality, but may give it up after this month because of the issue mentioned and go back t spotify and try again in a few months to see if it has grown up
I Think they will have trouble staying in business if they don't adjust the price until the problems are worked out

 

Here's the thing. Because of the INSANE bandwidth necessary for lossless, $20/mo is not at all unfair. You're talking a HUGE amount of data going. The issue I'm having is that the service is a great LIBRARY of HiFi music, but is severely lacking in all other regards. If you know what albums you want to listen to, and want to listen TO albums, you're good. If you want to listen to radio stations or playlists, or find new music? You're kinda stuck right now.

post #139 of 3484
I just went to open Tidal on iOS for some music testing and it hung at the loading screen for a minute. I decided to close it and re-open it and it ended up working for me after about 15 seconds.

On Mac OS, I find the audio buffering/loading to be problematic at some times, smooth at others, even when the internet connection is running just fine.
post #140 of 3484
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Originally Posted by rschoi75 View Post
 

I've been using Tidal for almost a month now, and I'm on the fence about the service. I really, REALLY, want to like it, but there are still too many things missing when comparing to the overall experience of Spotify. 

 

Pros: 

- Sound Quality is fantastic. Feels more airy and crisp than Spotify. That alone makes me want to keep the service. 

- The curated playlists are nice.  

- Has most of the artists/songs I was looking for, and they are adding more everyday. 

 

Cons: 

- Streaming is inconsistent, and buffers in the middle of songs too much. This is my biggest complaint since sound quality means nothing, if there is a buffering pause in the middle of every other song. 

- Gaps between songs is too long

- Interface is definitely lacking compared to Spotify. No plug-ins/apps yet, and no social media connections. 

- Playlists and front page content are much too stagnant. They need to include an algorithm that varies the albums/playlists that pop up on the home page. It feels somewhat claustrophobic, if that makes any sense, because I see the same playlists/albums every single time. 

 

I'm told myself that I'm going to give Tidal an honest 6-month shot. So far, I'd rate the service a 6.5/10, and I'm hoping they can smooth out the kinks in the next few months. I can live without the social media aspect and apps, but they NEED to fix the buffering and gap issues, or else I can't see them surviving for very long. 

 

Yup, I think this is a fair assessment of the service as it currently stands. I'm also experiencing a few audio dropouts & skips.  It might be partly to do with the JRiver WDM driver I'm using, but smooth playback also seems to be affected a bit when browsing at the same time...pretty bonkers when you consider I have a good quality 80Mbit fibre connection.  Skipping between and within tracks is also very slow...perhaps just a symptom of the larger file sizes of lossless.

 

One thing on the Windows client that's been recognised as a bug is that non "hifi" quality tracks will only play to the Windows default sound device.  If you've selected an alternate output device in Tidal settings, "hifi" tracks will play fine to that device (in my case to JRiver WDM and into my Geek Out), but the others just play through my laptop speakers as I want to keep that as my default sound device for other stuff. Probably doesn't affect too many people, but it is a bit of an issue for me.

 

I really hope Tidal becomes successful...having a streaming service dedicated to high quality content is good for all of us.


Edited by pedalhead - 11/21/14 at 2:32am
post #141 of 3484
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Originally Posted by pedalhead View Post
 

 

 

One thing on the Windows client that's been recognised as a bug is that non "hifi" quality tracks will only play to the Windows default sound device.  If you've selected an alternate output device in Tidal settings, "hifi" tracks will play fine to that device (in my case to JRiver and into my Geek Out), but the others just play through my laptop speakers as I want to keep that as my default sound device for other stuff. Probably doesn't affect too many people, but it is a bit of an issue for me.

 

I really hope Tidal becomes successful...having a streaming service dedicated to high quality content is good for all of us.

So that's what I struggled with the 20 minutes last night...

post #142 of 3484
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post
 

So that's what I struggled with the 20 minutes last night...

 

Yep, I logged a case with Tidal support a while back about it and the guy investigated & said it was indeed a bug.  He seemed to think there wasn't much they could do (seems odd to me), but did say he'd inform the product development people about it.

post #143 of 3484
Does anyone else find it hard to find artists by name but you can find them by song
Love the sound which is most important but it needs tons of work
post #144 of 3484

I really hope Tidal is successful as well. Even though I was pretty critical of them in my last post, I really hope they do well. 

 

As far as bandwidth is concerned, I think that's where my issue is. My condo complex has an exclusive deal with a company called Consolidated Smart Systems (which is apparently worse than comcast). Their top tier broadband service is 12 mbps down & 2 mbps up. Basically, I'm screwed. Yeah... we're still partying like it's 1999 over here. :cool:

post #145 of 3484
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Originally Posted by rschoi75 View Post
 

I really hope Tidal is successful as well. Even though I was pretty critical of them in my last post, I really hope they do well. 

 

As far as bandwidth is concerned, I think that's where my issue is. My condo complex has an exclusive deal with a company called Consolidated Smart Systems (which is apparently worse than comcast). Their top tier broadband service is 12 mbps down & 2 mbps up. Basically, I'm screwed. Yeah... we're still partying like it's 1999 over here. :cool:

 

Is that 12mbps that YOU have or that the whole complex shares? I'm on hotel WiFi that taps out around 5mbps and it's not a problem except for a small pause between tracks here and there. 

 

Tidal, thus far, seems like a "record collector" service. Sounds amazing and has loads of music, but really only works for people who are aiming to sit down and select albums they are already aware that they want to hear. Kind of an issue for me. 

post #146 of 3484
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

Does anyone else find it hard to find artists by name but you can find them by song
Love the sound which is most important but it needs tons of work


Yes, I hope they work this out.

post #147 of 3484
is there a way to browse by artist in a genre?
post #148 of 3484

I'm so used to having an online library with Google Music, I just can't go back to playlists again.  I had Rhapsody for several years, from 2004 until when MOG was first made available.  Then, when Spotify came to the US, I used both MOG and Spotify until about a month after Google Music All Access came out. (I'm still grandfathered at $7.99/month for Google Music)  Rhapsody used a library system to catalog my music, and when I went to Google, I realized that it was so much better for me than anything that MOG or Spotify was offering.

 

Now I'd love to keep Tidal around, but the Favorites system is cramping my style and how I enjoy listening to music.

 

This is my problem.  I have some favorite artists and albums that I really enjoy.  With Google, I can start with this by going to Pink Floyd and adding all of their albums to my library.  I can do the same thing for The Moody Blues or The Eagles.  By adding the albums to my library, I now have the artists and all of the tracks on these albums in my library.  Now I can randomly play my personal catalog of my entire library.  I can then start a radio station based on the artist, album, or a single track; at which point I can easily add additional albums to my library whenever I stumble upon another favorite.  This process builds my library in a manner that allows me to just listen and enjoy music with very little searching involved.  The shuffle works so well that I split my time listening to my library and listening to radio stations, and I get a very good mix of music each session.

 

With Tidal, the Artist, Album, and Track favorites are all separate, and there is no easy way to integrate them all together.  To make matters worse, the performance really begins to drag after adding several thousand favorite tracks.  The application is clearly meant to be used with playlists.  I have to favorite an artist, then favorite an album, and then favorite the tracks in each album to pull in the songs that I want available to shuffle and to use for creating radio stations.  This is a problem as I have over 12K songs in my Google library, which is continually growing, and I don't think Tidal can handle that many tracks in my favorites folder, even if I wanted to spend the better part of a week adding all of the tracks.

 

If I add an album to my favorites, Tidal should have an option to automatically add the artist and all of the tracks as favorites.  This was the same problem I had with MOG, where I never even bothered to favorite an artist, only songs, since the artists and song favorites weren't really connected in any meaningful way.  I absolutely love Google where I can select an artist in my library to see my favorite albums from this artist (even the ones I added from my own collection).  It is just a much better way to manage music for me.

 

It is because of this and no ability to fill in gaps in music availability with my own that makes me put this aside for now.  I've done plenty of ABX tests in the past to know with confidence that I can't hear a difference between FLAC, AAC 320, or Google's Lame-encoded mp3 tracks at 320 CBR quality.  I put some Shostakovich up to the test and could not tell a difference between Google and Tidal (HIFI), at least not with my audio equipment.  I really want Tidal to work, and I am debating whether or not to just pay the monthly subscription to support their efforts.  Unfortunately, the mobile suites are going to dictate how these applications will be designed, and the PC/Mac options will take a back seat.  These developers have to follow the money to survive.  While I don't believe that sound quality will improve, especially between FLAC and AAC 320, but the thing that FLAC can potentially bring that Google's mp3's can't is a true gapless playback ability, though, even gapless playback is not working yet with Tidal.

post #149 of 3484
Anyone else find that the none HIFI tracks on Tidal sound better than the 320 tracks on Spotify
post #150 of 3484
Any one try the test page Tidal have set up to compare 320 against lossless yet?
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