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post #31 of 549
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Originally Posted by augustwest
Dark Angel -
Interesting comparision you have made between the Boulez & Karajan, especially since both conductors are leading the VPO. Have you heard the Riccardo Chailly recording of the 8th, it seems to have received good press. I have not listened to it. If you have, how would you compare it to the Boulez / Karajan?
- augustwest
No haven't heard Chailly for any Bruckner symphony but I suspect the Harnoncourt/Teledec 8th is similar in style to Boulez.

BTW I also agree with you that the Klemperer/EMI 4th may be best available version. There is a live version and a studio version (I have both) and most critics like the live version but I must give the edge to the remastered studio version. The sound quality is amazing for its age, I really love the the brass and the horn treatments here. Competition is very tough for 4th, many excellent versions but so far Klemperer is my fav (also Klemperer for 6th as mentioned earlier)
post #32 of 549
Bruckner is certainly among the top line of my favorite composers, so I'd like to list my preferred recordings. Of course following is my personal opinion only. Moreover I have to say a sorry for my restricted language also. So please don't feel offended when you disagree my opinion.

No.1 : It's one of the most daring and aggressive music I've ever heard. It's a piece reserving the mentality of 17 years old boy which was actually written down after he became 40. Jochum/BPO is well balanced in all aspects. Sawallisch/BRSO lacks some Brucknerian thickness, but that fits the work's aggressiveness well.

No.2 : Insufficient sample to pick some.

No.3 : I'd pick Schuricht/VPO and Kna/Munich PO (64).

No.4 : I learned this work by Walter/Columbia SO and it's in my favorites yet. Among recent additions to my collection van Beinum/RCO was quite attractive. So straightforward playing without any ostentation.

No.5 : Sinopolli/SKD is maybe the best record of his. Everything is almost perfect, and the recording is at the highest level. Matacic/Czech PO is another powerful rendering. I think I can leave Horenstein and Furtwangler by which I've learned this work.

No.6 : My favorite is a live version of Klemperer/New Philh (67,Hunt). It has force and vividness I think insufficient in their studio version. Keilberth/BPO is grave but I feel it migth be tedious. Sawallisch/BRSO's lightness fits the work's mood but that sounds rather less Brucknerian. Deletion of 1st mov. in Furtwangler's version might be the worst disaster in the history of classical recording.

No.7 : Among many great performances, Kna/VPO is my favorite. This is very strict playing and rejects any popularity in this work. Nevertheless it presents every familiar melodies in this work most enjoyably. For van Beinum/RCO, I can repeat what I said on their No.4. Among stereo versions, I'd pick Walter/Columbia SO (warm and gentle), Matacic/Czech PO (heroic), Karajan/VPO (well...). A pirate version of Celibidache/BPO live performance was very impressive (so slow... but great).

No.8 : I can't say which is superior among 3 Furtwangler's versions. VPO(44) is introspective. BPO(15.3.49) is brutal, and BPO(14.3.49) is the middle way, but they're all worth appreciation. Kna/VPO (61) is also great live recording.

No.9 : For this work, I was seldom unsatisfied with recordings I've heard. I'd pick Giulini/VPO considering the orchestra and recording. Others I'd like to mention are Walter, Klemperer and Schuricht.

String Quintet : I have Melos and Raphael and prefer Raphael slightly. Melos is more ascetic, distant and feels more mystical while Raphael sounds fuller and easier to see structure of each voices.
post #33 of 549
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Originally Posted by gracky
No.3 : I'd pick Schuricht/VPO and Kna/Munich PO (64).
No.8 : I can't say which is superior among 3 Furtwangler's versions. VPO(44) is introspective. BPO(15.3.49) is brutal, and BPO(14.3.49) is the middle way, but they're all worth appreciation. Kna/VPO (61) is also great live recording.

No.9 : For this work, I was seldom unsatisfied with recordings I've heard. I'd pick Giulini/VPO considering the orchestra and recording. Others I'd like to mention are Walter, Klemperer and Schuricht.
I've got the Schuricht 3 and 9--they are very dependable and the sound is well balanced on the vinyl.

I have the Furty VPO 8; what you write makes me want to hear the 15.3.49 performance!
post #34 of 549
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Barbirolli/BBC Legends 8th
Got this recently because of it's reputation as most energetic Bruckner 8th available........I will concede this, very high voltage especially in 2nd movement scherzo. First the sound is not ideal, this is 1970 live recording that has been remastered but climaxes don't have full bloom of modern version and sound a bit shrill. I have applied all my "tweaks" including Auric Illuminator and Mapleshade Mikro Smooth to improve sound as much as possible.

This is not a first choice 8th, much like Mravinsky's version of Tchaikovsky 4 has to be heard to see how far the envelope can be pushed before breaking. In particular the Sherzo is pushed too hard and loses its structure under such a fierce unrelenting attack. The outer movements are very successful and do not suffer the same fate. Check some timings, almost 14 minutes shorter than famous Giulini version:
Barbirolli - 73:58 (1970)
Boulez - 75:58 (1996)
Jochum - 76:04 (1976)
Karajan - 82:49 (1988)
Wand - 87:07 (2001)
Giulini - 87:36 (1985)
Tintner - 89:28 (1996)

So for me well worth having for an extreme contrast sounding very different to the more polished version of Karajan/DG/VPO which still remains my 1st choice.

Gracky
Thanks for the info on your collection, most I am familiar with although I have never heard any Knappertbush or Van Beinum Bruckner and as discussed earlier don't have any mono recordings so Furtwangler is also not followed.
post #35 of 549
Last night I listened to the Mravinsky/Leningrad Ninth again after about three years. The recording is only decent, but there are all kinds of interesting things in the performance--especially in the monumental first movement which I think is my favorite in all Bruckner (unless it is the Adagio of the Seventh).
post #36 of 549
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DC1
Do you own the famous Mravinsky/DG set of Tchaikovsky 4,5,6? I was referring to last movement of symphony 4.........energy level off the charts! You have to play it twice to make sure what you just heard was real, he he.

BTW I own no Bruckner by Mravinsky, just Tchaikovsky & Shostakovich.

Also did you order that Barbirolli from Berkshire records?
post #37 of 549
I've got the DG/Mrav/Leningrad Tskvy 6th..from 1961 I think. It is quite hot and energetic for that work. I seem to remember hearing he recorded the Tskvy symphonies three or four times(??).

I did order that Barbirolli 8th...looking forward to it! I've got his EMI Mahler 5th, which is the best I've heard of that piece. I also have some of his Dvorak, but that's about it....

Tonight I'm going to try to listen to the Horenstein 8th...it has been more than a year.
post #38 of 549
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This thread is about to die from lack of participation, but for the sake of music I will try to keep it going a while longer.

KARAJAN
Sorry, I may seem like a bit of a fanboy but for symphonies 7,8,9 I have not heard anyone do them better as a group. I was just listening to Karajan/EMI remastered 8th from 1958, amazing peformance and if the newer Karajan/DG/VPO did not exist this would be my reference version. This version is mid price but becoming increasingly difficult to find, my advice get it while you can:

Karajan/EMI 8th
post #39 of 549
I think my preferences generally go against most people's in Bruckner. Many people like the pumped up intensity, monumentality of performances like Karajan, but to me he makes bruckner sound to militant, almost (excuse the expression) nazified. This works very well in the mahler symphonies he did, but not very well in bruckner, as it comletely misses the songful aspects of the works. For me, I prefer Tintner, Haitink (yes, Haitink!), and Wand, in that order. JMHO, and YMMV of course.
post #40 of 549
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Originally Posted by Tyson
I think my preferences generally go against most people's in Bruckner. Many people like the pumped up intensity, monumentality of performances like Karajan, but to me he makes bruckner sound to militant, almost (excuse the expression) nazified. This works very well in the mahler symphonies he did, but not very well in bruckner, as it comletely misses the songful aspects of the works. For me, I prefer Tintner, Haitink (yes, Haitink!), and Wand, in that order. JMHO, and YMMV of course.
Perhaps a closer description is Karajan makes Bruckner sound "wagnerian" in the later symphonies, BPO producing shimmering waves of sound that wash together and build towering cathedral spires, a polished blended style that Karajan perfected. I actually find Wand's style very similar to Karajan (also using BPO) but not quite surpassing his best, Tintner does offer a noticeably different approach which also works......I stated in first post that Tintner was my favorite complete Bruckner cycle at any price.

What Bruckner have you bought recently that you really like?
post #41 of 549
The latest bruckner I bought was Wand and the BPO, but I like his earlier set better. I haven't bought any bruckner other than that lately, I've been on a Prokofiev and Shostakovich kick lately. . .
post #42 of 549
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
This thread is about to die from lack of participation, but for the sake of music I will try to keep it going a while longer.
Hey, you know even if the thread does die...it will remain in the archives as a resource, or available for bumpage at any time. I've bought lots of stuff by searching in music archives.

At this point in time I'm still relatively ignorant about symphonic classical and can only say what I like, not compare performances to dozens of other performances. I really like Tintner's Bruckner 4 on Naxos!
post #43 of 549
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
......I stated in first post that Tintner was my favorite complete Bruckner cycle at any price.
Not to mention that the Penguin CD guide lists the Tintner set as a "Key Recording". The box set includes extensive documentation and Penguin gives it the "strongest recommendation". (FWIW)
post #44 of 549
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Originally Posted by Calanctus
Hey, you know even if the thread does die...it will remain in the archives as a resource, or available for bumpage at any time. I've bought lots of stuff by searching in music archives.

At this point in time I'm still relatively ignorant about symphonic classical and can only say what I like, not compare performances to dozens of other performances. I really like Tintner's Bruckner 4 on Naxos!
New to classical? Well, symphonic is pretty much the only "classical" music I listen to. Let me list a few of my favorites:

Dvorak - Symphonies 8 & 9
Rachmaninoff - Symphonies 2 & 3
Prokofiev - Symphony 5
Zemlinsky - Die Seejungfrau (The Mermaid)
Shostokovich - Symphony 5
Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra
Richard Strauss - An Alpine Symphony
Brahms - Symphony 1
Mahler - Symphony 1
and you gotta have.. Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition

these are all very tuneful, very exciting and were all among the first pieces of classical music I got into.

-jar
post #45 of 549

ok, choral music

I don't know this so well, but the Te Deum that DG packaged with a Jochum/BPO 9th is very impressive. I also have Mehta/VPO on this and a couple of the early Masses.

What you the rest of you like here?
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