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Newbie audiophile here, first post :) So I've been wishing to depart from my current-gen iPod Touch 32GB for quite a while now. The sound quality is disappointing and I am seriously starting to run out of space (I would like around 100GB). I am wondering if I should just get an old 5.5 iPod Classic/Video (150-200$), or maybe wait for the Fiio X1 to come out (as I understand it I'd also have to buy my own SD card, for a total of 250ish$), or buy something else completely. If it means anything, I am currently using a pair of Sennheiser HD558. Any recommendations?

post #2 of 12
Well, 128GB cards are pretty expensive right now. A 64gb card and a FiiO X3 or iBasso DX50 should give you an upgrade and run about $240 (here in the US). Since SanDisk only recently came out with the 128gb card, good guess is that it might drop in price some over the next year or so by the time you need the additional storage.

And if you have filled up your iPod with lossless, keep in mind that the difference between 320K mp3 and lossless is typically insignificant if not indistinguishable in blind listening tests. You could store a ton more files if you went with 320K.
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by PretentiousMoi View Post
 

Newbie audiophile here, first post :) So I've been wishing to depart from my current-gen iPod Touch 32GB for quite a while now. The sound quality is disappointing and I am seriously starting to run out of space (I would like around 100GB). I am wondering if I should just get an old 5.5 iPod Classic/Video (150-200$), or maybe wait for the Fiio X1 to come out (as I understand it I'd also have to buy my own SD card, for a total of 250ish$), or buy something else completely. If it means anything, I am currently using a pair of Sennheiser HD558. Any recommendations?

I have both the iPod Video 30GB, and a Fuze+ 16GB + 32 GB memory card.

 

(OT:  I had originally bought a 64GB memory card, and formatted it as FAT32.  That worked, but the problem was that I had a fake memory card in the first place, so I returned it. 

 

You could try a 64GB card too, it should work if you format it properly).

 

I think both players sound similar, but I haven't done a careful study.  Nor listened one back to back.  Wanted to get my own headphone quest resolved first.

 

I like how the Fuze+ allows for expandable memory card, and plays FLAC.  Most of my library is not in FLAC, but if I ever do convert them to FLAC, I know the Fuze+ will play them.  I wanted to keep one library that could be played by either the iPod Video or Fuze+.

 

If you don't mind splitting your library across multiple memory cards (or if 64GB is sufficient, then use that), then a Clip or Fuze+ might be for you.

 

I can't comment on its sound quality compared to other players.  There might be other players that sound better, but I just haven't tried anything else.

 

I just wanted to share my experience, even if I can't give a strong recommendation of someone experienced having tried a lot of audio players. 

post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Well, 128GB cards are pretty expensive right now. A 64gb card and a FiiO X3 or iBasso DX50 should give you an upgrade and run about $240 (here in the US). Since SanDisk only recently came out with the 128gb card, good guess is that it might drop in price some over the next year or so by the time you need the additional storage.

And if you have filled up your iPod with lossless, keep in mind that the difference between 320K mp3 and lossless is typically insignificant if not indistinguishable in blind listening tests. You could store a ton more files if you went with 320K.

 

Thanks.

 

Always helps to read more opinions on this matter.

post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Well, 128GB cards are pretty expensive right now. A 64gb card and a FiiO X3 or iBasso DX50 should give you an upgrade and run about $240 (here in the US). Since SanDisk only recently came out with the 128gb card, good guess is that it might drop in price some over the next year or so by the time you need the additional storage.

And if you have filled up your iPod with lossless, keep in mind that the difference between 320K mp3 and lossless is typically insignificant if not indistinguishable in blind listening tests. You could store a ton more files if you went with 320K.

How would you compare the sound qualities of those to iPods, Fuze+, and Clips?

 

What matters more, the quality of the audio source files, or the player, or the headphones?  Or all of them?  The weakest member of any of those will hold the audio quality back?

post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by PretentiousMoi View Post
 

Newbie audiophile here, first post :) So I've been wishing to depart from my current-gen iPod Touch 32GB for quite a while now. The sound quality is disappointing and I am seriously starting to run out of space (I would like around 100GB). I am wondering if I should just get an old 5.5 iPod Classic/Video (150-200$), or maybe wait for the Fiio X1 to come out (as I understand it I'd also have to buy my own SD card, for a total of 250ish$), or buy something else completely. If it means anything, I am currently using a pair of Sennheiser HD558. Any recommendations?

 

Check out this 1.2 meter cable with a 3.5mm plug, for use with the Sennheiser HD518/HD558/HD598

Cable offered in length from 1.2m to 3.0m

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261255113290?var=560313338476&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

 

I'm guessing FiiO and iBasso are the kind of DAP you would need.

Get a Sandisk Clip (+ or Zip) if you want to save some cash

post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by nuraman00 View Post

How would you compare the sound qualities of those to iPods, Fuze+, and Clips?

What matters more, the quality of the audio source files, or the player, or the headphones?  Or all of them?  The weakest member of any of those will hold the audio quality back?

I haven't heard them all. You should ask in the DX50 and Fiio X3 threads. But the DX50 is definitely a step up over the Clips in SQ and headphone output (volume).
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by nuraman00 View Post

 

What matters more, the quality of the audio source files, or the player, or the headphones?  Or all of them?  The weakest member of any of those will hold the audio quality back?

 

Headphones first, followed by the player's internal amp or the amplifier, only if the headphone or IEM actually requires that much more (and cleaner) power and current; source is usually last - if it has a decent DAC with a good output stage (clean, neutral, loud enough to not use too high setting on the amp but not too loud for the amp to distort easily) then that's enough.

 

The real benefit to players like the X3 and DX50 is that you won't need to strap an amp onto them like you would need with the iPods, having more clean power than mainstream players for much wider choices of headphones and IEMs, although that hasn't stopped a lot of people from doing so.

post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post

The real benefit to players like the X3 and DX50 is that you won't need to strap an amp onto them like you would need with the iPods, having more clean power than mainstream players for much wider choices of headphones and IEMs, although that hasn't stopped a lot of people from doing so.

Sort of defeats the purpose in a way, doesn't it? smily_headphones1.gif

Although I understand. For home use with headphones that are hard to drive, I understand the desire get a little more out of the setup with an add on amp so you can sit with them anywhere in the house.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


Sort of defeats the purpose in a way, doesn't it? smily_headphones1.gif

Although I understand. For home use with headphones that are hard to drive, I understand the desire get a little more out of the setup with an add on amp so you can sit with them anywhere in the house.

 

In a way, yes - especially if used with efficient IEMs that just need more current (too low impedance? crossover presents load too complex for 5mW integrated audio chip?). For home use, true, not so much; but for someone anal retentive like me who hates cables everywhere (aside from cost, the reason why I don't use expensive speaker cables is because those pythons are harder to hide), having digital or line out ports on top means I won't use them at home. I've been spoiled about how "docking"* works ever since Apple introduced the 30-pin.

 

If the ports (SPDIF, line out) are in the bottom, carving a dock (even as simple as the shape of the DAP's bottom and bottom half along the back, plus a plug for the lineout, then cut that wood block at an angle and then mount it on a solid flat piece) is the only problem, whereas there are a number of ways to keep it upright but I just hate seeing the cables snaking around. It's the same reason why I recommend the ODAC-O2 in the same box combos, and the C5D, over the old ODAC and O2 stacks.

 

 

 

 

*For those reading this thread and haven't seen these before, this is what I mean:


Edited by ProtegeManiac - 8/5/14 at 8:49pm
post #11 of 12
I have K612 Pros which are a bit difficult for the DX50 to drive. Then it's worth hauling my E12 with me if I want to listen away from my desktop listening station, such as sit on the couch in the living room. But I could not see carrying it around with me in pocket like people do on the go. Of course, the K612s aren't good for that anyway smily_headphones1.gif
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post
 

 

Headphones first, followed by the player's internal amp or the amplifier, only if the headphone or IEM actually requires that much more (and cleaner) power and current; source is usually last - if it has a decent DAC with a good output stage (clean, neutral, loud enough to not use too high setting on the amp but not too loud for the amp to distort easily) then that's enough.

 

The real benefit to players like the X3 and DX50 is that you won't need to strap an amp onto them like you would need with the iPods, having more clean power than mainstream players for much wider choices of headphones and IEMs, although that hasn't stopped a lot of people from doing so.

 

Thanks.

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