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What to get, PSB M4U 1 vs. the Bowers and Wilkins P7?

post #1 of 52
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These are my top two picks in what to get.

 

I've read that the P7 has better "instrument separation", and is more dynamic, but that could just be a few peoples' opinions, would like to see what a few others think.
 
The P7 has better sensitivity (111 db vs. 102 for the PSB), so it will need less to be louder.
 
It requires even less to drive it, 22 ohm impedance vs. 32 for the PSB.

 

PSB gives you more value with an extra set of ear pads, and more convenience with the headphone jack going on either L or R earpiece.
 
The PSB doesn't have proprietary cables, while the P7 has proprietary ones, and is less convenient to get to because you have to take the ear cup off.
 
What should I get?
 
Given that I'll mainly be using them with high quality mp3s and AAC (but not lossless files), will I notice a difference vs. my previous Sony MDR-V6?  I liked the MDR-V6, and how that sounded better than basic headphones.  I just hope that whatever I get next sounds better than that, since I'm spending more.  I'm not using lossless files because I'm using two different portable audio players (iPod Video; Fuze+) with different lossless formats, and I want to keep one library.  Plus I wouldn't have the space for lossless.

 

I do occasionally like to listen to music through my computer's CD player, but due to time, not very often.
 
I might get a portable amp at some point, but who knows, so don't consider it for now.
post #2 of 52
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Anyone?  Thanks.

post #3 of 52
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I'm also considering the SoundMagic HP150, but kind of have my heart set on the first two right now.  Those would be my preference, unless others tell me otherwise.

 

Why is the sensitivity of the SoundMagic HP 150 at only 100 dB?

post #4 of 52
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Nobody on here has tried both the PSB M4U 1 and the Bowers and Wilkins P7, or researched both?

 

Or tried those two + the SoundMagic HP 150, or also researched all three?

 

It seems like there are good threads on all three of those headphones individually, so someone must have either tried or researched multiple of the above?

 

I just want to hear a few more opinions, thanks.

post #5 of 52
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I'm still stuck deciding between these.  ;)  Tough choices.  Anyone else researched or tried multiple of these?

post #6 of 52
Do you have an Apple store? Mine has the B&W P7s in stock hooked up to an iPod Touch. Pretty good for demoing. I have the HP150. Since I didn't compare them side by side, I can't really offer anything other than I didn't go "Wow. These are much better than the HP150s." It was definitely one of those instances where I know I would have to compare them side by side.

I like the HP150 very much. The bass and treble rise up gradually from the mids to give them a slight bit of bass and treble emphasis. Good deep bass extension. I have a pair of V6s. For a long time, I looked for a better headphone that could give me a similar frequency experience, only more defined. The HP150s were the first headphone I've heard that struck me as similar to V6, only better in SQ all the way around with deep bass extension (V6 rolls off in the midbass), better mids, highs, and bass SQ. Better soundstage and imaging. Better resolution (V6 seems a touch grainy in comparison).

So I really don't see how anyone that likes the V6 wouldn't like the HP150 as an upgrade, but I could be wrong.

"Why is the sensitivity of the SoundMagic HP 150 at only 100 dB?" Because that's how loud it gets for that amount of power.
Edited by cel4145 - 8/7/14 at 12:35pm
post #7 of 52
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Do you have an Apple store? Mine has the B&W P7s in stock hooked up to an iPod Touch. Pretty good for demoing. I have the HP150. Since I didn't compare them side by side, I can't really offer anything other than I didn't go "Wow. These are much better than the HP150s." It was definitely one of those instances where I know I would have to compare them side by side.

I like the HP150 very much. The bass and treble rise up gradually from the mids to give them a slight bit of bass and treble emphasis. Good deep bass extension. I have a pair of V6s. For a long time, I looked for a better headphone that could give me a similar frequency experience, only more defined. The HP150s were the first headphone I've heard that struck me as similar to V6, only better in SQ all the way around with deep bass extension (V6 rolls off in the midbass), better mids, highs, and bass SQ. Better soundstage and imaging. Better resolution (V6 seems a touch grainy in comparison).

So I really don't see how anyone that likes the V6 wouldn't like the HP150 as an upgrade, but I could be wrong.

"Why is the sensitivity of the SoundMagic HP 150 at only 100 dB?" Because that's how loud it gets for that amount of power.

 

Good idea, I'll ask if an Apple Store has multiple of the above.

 

Thanks for the comparison of the SoundMagic to the V6, glad you had both for comparison.

 

When I was asking about the sensitivity of the SoundMagic, I meant to raise a little concern for how it was lower compared to other headphones.  Do you think it's too low, or does it not a concern?

 

I've been a little leery of in-store demos, because:

 

A)  They probably wouldn't have music that I'd want to listen to, and if so, only samples, not full songs.

 

B)  Even if they had music that I'd listen to, would it be a song I knew well?  Because that would be the best way to compare headphones, with a song I knew well.

 

C)  I don't trust their setup, that it would be the same as what I'd use.  With similar quality source files, and similar setup (i.e. nothing else amping it).

 

But, if you're saying it's hooked up to an iPod directly, that sounds more reasonable, and realistic.

 

I.E. I'm comparing this process to buying furniture.  It might look one way with all of the in-store lighting, but those things can look different when taken out in natural lighting.

 

Same thing with audio, from my limited past experiences (such as at Best Buy), I didn't feel the in-store demo was realistic. 

 

Your description of the Apple Store sounds better.

post #8 of 52
The Apple iTouch I used had 30 or 40 songs. Enough of a genre range I could find something to listen to. The sound quality was good.

The HP150s are a little less sensitive than other phones. Whether or not they will get loud enough for you with your device, I cannot say. I have HE-400s and AKG K612s that are much more difficult to drive. I bought 'em anyway because I wanted the sound smily_headphones1.gif
post #9 of 52
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I saw someone with open back headphones on the subway yesterday.  I didn't hear any sound coming from them.

 

Still, I'd rather be on the safer side and get closed back for myself, so as not to disturb others, but thought it was interesting that I couldn't hear anything from them.

 

And OT, but here's a graphical comparison of headphones site I just found:

 

http://versus.com/en/akg-k612-pro

 

What do you think of the Sony MDR-1R (or one of its variants)?

post #10 of 52
I haven't heard the Sony MDR-1R. My best guess is that the headphones you are considering would be more resolving, but I don't know.
post #11 of 52
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I have a pair of V6s. For a long time, I looked for a better headphone that could give me a similar frequency experience, only more defined. The HP150s were the first headphone I've heard that struck me as similar to V6, only better in SQ all the way around with deep bass extension (V6 rolls off in the midbass), better mids, highs, and bass SQ. Better soundstage and imaging. Better resolution (V6 seems a touch grainy in comparison).

 

When you had the V6, but before you got the other headphones, what did you think of it overall?  Were you happy compared to your expectations?

post #12 of 52
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I haven't heard the Sony MDR-1R. My best guess is that the headphones you are considering would be more resolving, but I don't know.

Thanks.

post #13 of 52
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When you had the V6, but before you got the other headphones, what did you think of it overall?  Were you happy compared to your expectations?

I have been into different audio equipment for a long time. So yes. I think the V6 a good price/performance value for undr $100 and the HP150 for $200.
post #14 of 52
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


I have been into different audio equipment for a long time. So yes. I think the V6 a good price/performance value for undr $100 and the HP150 for $200.

Thanks.

post #15 of 52
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Ok, called an Apple Store near me. They do have the P7 available for demo.  They said I could plug my own iPod into it too.

 

I also called a Best Buy near me.  They don't have the headphones I want to try on display. 

 

 

Why can't I find the HP 150 on SoundMagic's website?  I can only find the HP 100.

 

I guess I'm re-thinking my reluctance to demo headphones, thanks to you, cel4145.  ;)

 

 

http://www.soundmagic.com.cn/en/products/Details59c11p28.html

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