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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post

Boats could also work. tongue.gif




It's the future - just like garlic bread was once - now everybody's eating the stuff


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Edited by cb3723 - 7/28/14 at 2:39pm
post #77 of 173
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It's the future - just like garlic bread was once - now everybody's eating the stuff
 
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If it doesn't work out, it'll be Apple gets Beat by Dre and the shareholders get mad as $3B would have made a nice dividend.


Edited by StanD - 7/28/14 at 3:22pm
post #78 of 173

Bose by Dre?

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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

Bose by Dre?

This could be good material for your next lol stand up comedy video wink.gif

Do you have any more? - I could do with a good laugh - the one I've watched of you was hilarious - lol - see? I'm even lolling just thinking about it...lol (I can't stop biggrin.gif)
post #80 of 173

Beated by Dre, iBose.

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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post
 

Beated by Dre, iBose.

Not unless bose win's the lawsuit.

Then it's Beaten by Bose...

post #82 of 173
Is it just me & hifiguy528 who think these "mint" streak themed Bose cans look pretty cool? (get it - mint - cool? never mind)


http://youtu.be/strU7wsl-U8
Edited by cb3723 - 7/29/14 at 1:53am
post #83 of 173

I don't like them... but this is coming from a guy who's been wearing an AKG K140 in public the past 2 days. 

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lol i wore an sennheiser HD 239 in public once. I do think the new bose soundtrue mint streaked cans look cool. If they really sound true (get it, get it?) then that is even better
post #85 of 173

Apple can probably cut a deal, after all they have been ripped off more than just about any other company in history. The benefit to them is to limit bad publicity and avoid the appearance of being hypocrites when it comes to honoring patents.

post #86 of 173
Maybe Bose should licence their advanced *algorithm's they apparently use to such superior effect in their patented ANC technology?

*I got this offa Tyll Hertsens seminal classic YouTube video "A comparitive review of High End Noise Cancelling Headphones"

I call this video a "seminal classic" as Tyll gives dues to both Bose & Beats respectively wink.gif


Jump to 1min 7 secs in Tyll's video for his mention of algorithms used in the Bose QuietComfort 15's.

Also note that Beats Studio (the original model) are included in this "High End" review and Tyll even comments that the Studios hold their own and are pretty good - now that's decent praise from a headcan guru and much respected member of the head-fi and pro audio community at large wink.gif

But yeah, it seems to me that perhaps Bose are at the beginning of a wave of competing brands looking for ways to up their ANC game to Bose's sophistication, so why not just licence it out and cash in?

Maybe if Tyll picks up this thread, he could offer some of his own insight into this Bose Vs Beats law suit?

Tyll - you out there? smily_headphones1.gif

BOSE QuietComfort 15's as worn by Tyll Hertsens - "algorithms"

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(Bose QC15's) "noise cancelling is UN-BELIEVABLE "
"and the sound is quite good"

Tyll Hertsens 2012

Edited by cb3723 - 7/29/14 at 6:48am
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Yes, I'm here. I've got some Beats Studio 2 in-house. The noise canceling seems better than the old Studio but I find it not as good as Bose.

 

It's also got some issues that I'll go into in the review that make me think they don't quite have their poop in a group on the noise canceling front.

 

If there is patent infringement, it's likely a very complex argument on the details of the circuit and algorithm design.

 

If the case does go to trial, we'll probably learn a lot about Bose headphones...though I suppose one could just go read all the patents.

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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

Yes, I'm here. I've got some Beats Studio 2 in-house. The noise canceling seems better than the old Studio but I find it not as good as Bose.

It's also got some issues that I'll go into in the review that make me think they don't quite have their poop in a group on the noise canceling front.

If there is patent infringement, it's likely a very complex argument on the details of the circuit and algorithm design.

If the case does go to trial, we'll probably learn a lot about Bose headphones...though I suppose one could just go read all the patents.

OMGosh!

The King has entered the building! RESPECT!

*lets get my fanboying outta the way here*

Thanks man - for everything you do - much appreciated smily_headphones1.gif

Yeah, I totally agree that beats ANC is nowhere near Bose's - by a large degree.

But surely Bose keep their algorithm's under wraps and out of sight and a legal battle would be counter productive if they were brought out into the open for other brands to tweak a little here and there to circumvent Bose's patent protection?

I first heard Bose's ANC when in my local Apple store, they had a pair of QuietComfort 15's out on display to try, so I was intrigued to check them out after watching your comparative review video. They were turned on without any music playing through them, just the ANC function, which you will also know functions without plugging in the audio cable so can be used wireless if you just want silence no music, and as soon as I put them on I was blown away and as you said as closing remark on your video - they truly are "unbelievable" - like the world went into mute. I stood there like an idiot for about 10mins just putting them on and off amazed by how the world (or white noise of the store) just went silent like nothing I'd experienced before from a headphone, needless to say I bought a pair, probably to the relief of Apple store staff who probably thought I was going to do a runner out of the store with the QC15's at any minute due to how long I was checking them biggrin.gif

As for the beats Studio 2.0's ANC - I think that the natural seal of the earcups (passive noise isolation?) add to a generally lack lustre ANC, and they are no way near Bose's level of performance, but what other headphone does? But all in all the Studios do offer some ANC which is ok, and I appreciate their new and improved sound signature for sure smily_headphones1.gif

But at the risk of going off topic here - Tyll, what's your honest opinion of beats new range if headphones such as the Studio 2.0's, the Studio wireless, beats mixr's, solo2's?

IMO, these cans rock and I just don't understand the schiit they receive - especially from v-moda 100 lovers and similar as that "fun" sound signature is well within the beats sound ball park, though I readily admit that beats are a tad overpriced, but they are the only headphone brand also regarded as a lifestyle brand.

Beats are what got me into this hobby and I still appreciate their sound signature but they continue to be the whipping boy here and a lot of other places, which I personally disagree with strongly and when getting into heated debate over, always get my ass kicked.

Believe me when I say, there are a lot more folks like me only keeping their mouths shut in fear of ridicule, which is a shame as this is a headphone and audio enthusiasts site where surely all brands should be allowed their place without prejudice?

I keep pimping this video but even that gets shot down frown.gif (you probably know "part time audiophile" guy - he's in the industry too as a audiophile journalist and also writes for http://audio360.org)


I don't oppose others opinions, but some of the beats criticism here and other places is so disproportionate it's crazy making.

Believe me when I say that I'm not trying to ambush you into a beats Vs the world scenario - just people who command the kind of respect that you do make people take note far more than the likes of I could ever do.

Many thanks for making reply to this Beats Vs Bose thread and I look forward to any further comments on it and any you make on the other points I raise.

RESPECT smily_headphones1.gif
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Thank you sir cool.gif
Edited by cb3723 - 7/29/14 at 4:36pm
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But surely Bose keep their algorithm's under wraps and out of sight and a legal battle would be counter productive if they were brought out into the open for other brands to tweak a little here and there to circumvent Bose's patent protection?

I'm by no means a patent expert, but my understanding of the way the protection works is competitors have to find a new way to achieve the same results in order for it to not break a patent. I don't think small tweaks would pass as a new method. That's just my understanding, and it might not be actual. 

post #90 of 173
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Originally Posted by Failuyr View Post

I'm by no means a patent expert, but my understanding of the way the protection works is competitors have to find a new way to achieve the same results in order for it to not break a patent. I don't think small tweaks would pass as a new method. That's just my understanding, and it might not be actual.

Yeah, maybe, I just remember some case years ago (my memory fails me to specifics) which ended up being thrown out of court as the company who had filed refused to divulge certain technical attributes to whatever it was they were looking to protect.

I know this is sketchy and very vague, but it's where my point came from - as you may have gathered I'm no lawyer either - lol biggrin.gif

edit: I wonder what/if the outcome of Beats Vs Yamaha was? Though IMO beats had a good case as the Yamaha Pro 500 were clearly modelled on the original beats Studio cans it is comical, though the Pro 500's are seriously superb bass canon headphones.

Maybe the fact that the Pro 500's are currently being sold off online at massive discounts is an indication that Yamaha lost the case?
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Edited by cb3723 - 7/29/14 at 4:39pm
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